Bitwig VS Ableton

[rod_zero]

Bitwig GUI is a carbon copy of Live's with different colors

Bitwig Track Headers are on the left - in Live, on the right
Bitwig Browser is on the right, Live's browser is on the left
The Live Browser stops above the Device Pane which extends to both sides.
The Bitwig browser extends to the bottom as does the Inspector so the Device Pane is narrower.
Bitwig has the Inspector which Live doesn't have.
And of course Bitwig has the Clip Launcher aligned with the Arrange

Apart from the inspector I really don't feel the others you point out make it so different to me as the two I actually point out because they break the very plain "bau haus" style of Live's.

Repositioning some elements, I would concede i actually like the browser to the right, doesn't change how the GUI feels to me.

Also initially when bitwig had multi track editing and Live didn't I also like how bitwig handled that, and I still think it looks more neat on it.

[rod_zero]

Bitwig GUI is a carbon copy of Live's with different colors

Bitwig Track Headers are on the left - in Live, on the right
Bitwig Browser is on the right, Live's browser is on the left
The Live Browser stops above the Device Pane which extends to both sides.
The Bitwig browser extends to the bottom as does the Inspector so the Device Pane is narrower.
Bitwig has the Inspector which Live doesn't have.
And of course Bitwig has the Clip Launcher aligned with the Arrange

Yeah in general that’s a terrible take, they share a lot things in common, GUI isn’t one of them.

Really? bitwig starts by bringing the same session view/arrangement view paradigm that at the time was exclusive to live.

The device view was also unique to live , as well as all devices following the same conventions.

The drum racks are also the same.

[pdxindy]

Repositioning some elements, I would concede i actually like the browser to the right, doesn't change how the GUI feels to me.

Yeah, they are quite similar... you just said carbon copy so I pointed out some differences. No biggie and nothing to argue about from my side

[xbitz]

carbon copy of Project5 instead



but it has been mentioned zillion times already even has its own topic

[apoclypse]

carbon copy of Project5 instead



but it has been mentioned zillion times already even has its own topic

I was like nah it doesn't look anything like Bitwig, then he opened the groove matrix and I was like . LOL

[syntonica]

All DAWs steal with each other. I see some Muzys in Bitwig, as well. I'm sure Bitwig was built from the ground up with modularity in mind (Grid) and they cherry-picked what they loved most from Ableton and others to build on top. Unlike Cubase, which is a Frankenstein's monster of feature added over feature for 30 years, Bitwig benefits greatly from hindsight.

[rod_zero]

All DAWs steal with each other. I see some Muzys in Bitwig, as well. I'm sure Bitwig was built from the ground up with modularity in mind (Grid) and they cherry-picked what they loved most from Ableton and others to build on top. Unlike Cubase, which is a Frankenstein's monster of feature added over feature for 30 years, Bitwig benefits greatly from hindsight.

That I would agree, bitwig as the advantage to look back and correct or build upon some concepts in Live, as the grid instead of M4L. When it launched it really seemed like one step forward Live was waiting to take.

[xbitz]

Bitwig is hard to beat, even if it looks a little like a toy.

It's a shame that this is seen by many as a negative. Something looking like a toy, especially if it doesn't come at the expense of information density and clarity (which I think is not the case for Bitwig), should mean it's approachable, easy to use, and inviting play and exploration. I'd argue that a UI that doesn't do those things is not a good UI for a tool that's used for creative expression.

Doesn't bother me personally, anyone who would be bothered by it is kinda doing it wrong. The GUI is supposed to not get in your way. Being easier to read and look at isn't a bad thing. I also like the orange and hope they never change it. One thing about Logics GUI is they've changed a lot of things about it that made it unique, the running man, chains, the green/grey etc. it's just boring to look at now. Even with that, if I wasn't married to Bitwig and Digital Performer, Logics bland GUI wouldn't be a deciding factor in using it.

but Logic is the comfiest in bed using MacBook

[a9k1tp]

All DAWs steal with each other. I see some Muzys in Bitwig, as well. I'm sure Bitwig was built from the ground up with modularity in mind (Grid) and they cherry-picked what they loved most from Ableton and others to build on top. Unlike Cubase, which is a Frankenstein's monster of feature added over feature for 30 years, Bitwig benefits greatly from hindsight.

Yes, all DAWs inspire each other. Even iOS and Android inspire each other.
Bitwig is highly inspired from Ableton, but without all the fundamental workflow flaws in Ableton.

[Trancit]

... but without all the fundamental workflow flaws in Ableton.

Sadly without many of the workflow goodies either...

[mtelesha]

Bitwig is more of an Instrument for me at this point. I can use it Live with a band easily. The modularity of Bitwig makes it really the DAW where you don't ever need to buy a plugin. Seriously you can make just about anything you need from the Grid.

Personally, when I do play with Bitwig I use it more as a old school tracker and it brings me a lot of joy.

[Tj Shredder]

and it brings me a lot of joy.

Which is the most important part!
Any DAW can do anything in principle. Workflows differ, and might be faster or slower. But just to learn an optimal workflow takes its own time anyway…
If its inspiring, your music will shine. If its only a tool, the music will reflect that as well…

[Trancit]

Sadly for me it is ...being actually a DAW... too much of an instrument and too little of a DAW...
There are so many things missing for being a nice DAW and the development still is very much focussed on bringing out more plugins and more grid modules...

[pdxindy]

Sadly for me it is ...being actually a DAW... too much of an instrument and too little of a DAW...
There are so many things missing for being a nice DAW and the development still is very much focussed on bringing out more plugins and more grid modules...

Fortunately, I am fairly happy with Bitwig as a DAW... the thing is, different people have different ideas of what is a DAW.

For example, I consider the modulation system in Bitwig to be essential DAW functionality which other DAW's are lacking.

There are a few DAW features Bitwig needs to add for me to not need another DAW (Logic) to supplement Bitwig. Native Pitch Correction is one. But then plenty of people rely on a plugin for that (Melodyne).

[machinesworking]

Mostly I just wish it would steal DP11s Chunks feature, which would make it pretty much the ultimate live performance DAW.