Reason 11 announced!!!

[Resonant- Serpent]

Is it true that version 11 will be dropping Rewire?

[Fernando Carvalho]

Is it true that version 11 will be dropping Rewire?

yep

[VitaminD]

Polls/surveys are often wrong. Mostly because you cannot force people to fill out a survey and the people who have abandoned your product probably don't want to fill out a survey.

True. How relevant are single forum voices though? I think we can agree that they're way less relevant even.

I guess the best option would be user metrics. Don't tell the tin foil hatters though, as they will deactivate those, as the first thing they do in the software.

I don't know how relevant they are in general. And I'm also not sure what metrics involves in this situation. Yet, if it involves looking at screen resolution, it could tell a 'lie' if the people using the software are downscaling to work around the low resolution of the Reason GUI.
If they aren't, then I cannot possibly see how their data wouldn't show that most people are on 1920x1080 or larger res screens these days. Even in tiny laptops that is often the case. The days of 800x600 or even 1024x768 are long over yet Props doesn't seem to accept this is a pressing issue for them.

[fgimian]

Is it true that version 11 will be dropping Rewire?

yep

I'm extremely excited about Reason 11, but will admit that I think they should have kept ReWire around for another version to help us transition to this new way of working.

I asked the Propellerhead guys on Facebook if there's an easy way to migrate existing projects and honestly there isn't. It'll be a matter of saving presets and recreating each chain in the Reason plugin.

It would be been very helpful if you could import from an existing project into the Reason Plugin directly.

In saying all of this, I'm still so excited for this release. As someone who has used (and hated) ReWire extensively in the past, I would just love to have access to the Reason synths natively in Cubase without the fluff of ReWire.

[ShawnG]

Is it true that version 11 will be dropping Rewire?

yep

I'm extremely excited about Reason 11, but will admit that I think they should have kept ReWire around for another version to help us transition to this new way of working.

I asked the Propellerhead guys on Facebook if there's an easy way to migrate existing projects and honestly there isn't. It'll be a matter of saving presets and recreating each chain in the Reason plugin.

It would be been very helpful if you could import from an existing project into the Reason Plugin directly.

In saying all of this, I'm still so excited for this release. As someone who has used (and hated) ReWire extensively in the past, I would just love to have access to the Reason synths natively in Cubase without the fluff of ReWire.

I can see why you wouldn’t be able to load a whole reason project in one rack, but are they saying you can’t drag a combi or effects chain in there? That would be crazy and dumb.

[stearine]

Workflow and technical improvements

• Curved automation, simply drag the line between two automation points up or down to curve the line.
• Crossfades, overlap two audio clips and either choose Crossfade from the context menu or press the X key to crossfade. Drag the crossfade to adjust.
• Improved zoom, you can now drag the sequencer track dividers to adjust the vertical size of the track. Tracks can have individual sizes and the Zoom to Selection function can now zoom both horizontally and vertically.
• Mute MIDI notes, use the Mute Tool or press M to mute selected MIDI notes.
• New Pencil Tool mode, use the new multi-note Pencil to quickly draw a series of notes at the same resolution as your snap value. You can quickly toggle between the two modes by pressing Ctrl (Win) or Option (Mac) when using the Pencil tool.
• Absolute Snap, a new setting in the inspector that always snaps what you're moving to the grid.
• Key visualization, in Edit Mode you will now see both played and selected MIDI notes in the piano roll to easier see what's going on.
• Octave shortcut, using cmd+shift+up/down (Mac) or ctrl+shift+up/down (Win) to quickly move selected MIDI notes up or down in octave increments.
• Draw automation point at same level, hold Shift while drawing a new automation point to place it on the existing automation line
• Bug fixes (to be detailed)

Looks like Reason 11 is really going to give Acid Pro a run for their money.

[David]

Does anyone who tried the beta of Reason 11 know if you can use Reasons arps/sequencers/cv to output midi via a midi channel to another VSTi aside from Reason's VSTi like say Padshop or Kontakt or u-He VSTi's, etc. or something? It would be very nice to control several different VSTi's from Reason's VST3 plugin using Kompulsion, etc.

From this article:

There’s no MIDI output from MIDI generating devices like the Matrix and MIDI effects in this version. (You can still use those to automate internal Reason instruments and effects, though, inside Reason Rack Plugin).

I could be wrong but I think you can nest a player on the external midi instrument device.

There's a wonderful free RE now that can convert all sorts of old Reason CV devices into Players:
https://www.propellerheads.com/shop/rac ... layer-tap/

Not sure what you mean by "nest", but you can certainly send MIDI out from stacked Players via the EMI in R10.

But re: the VST-Rack version coming up, neither Players nor the EMI will be able to send MIDI Out. I wonder if the plugin will even include the EMI; what for, unless for future developments? Maybe it could be converted into the MIDI Out device in future updates to the VST…?

[bmanic]

Really bummed that they didn't do anything about the tiny graphics. My eye sight is not what it used to be and pretty much everybody is running higher res displays now.

Still it's great to see that Reason is finally available as a plugin itself (minus the DAW part)! I might have to jump back onto the Reason platform.. at the very least start with Reason 11 Intro to see how well it works within another DAW.

I really do hope they implement MIDI output from the plugin though. Would be a shame if that's not the case.

[Kalamata Kid]

Really bummed that they didn't do anything about the tiny graphics. My eye sight is not what it used to be and pretty much everybody is running higher res displays now.

Still it's great to see that Reason is finally available as a plugin itself (minus the DAW part)! I might have to jump back onto the Reason platform.. at the very least start with Reason 11 Intro to see how well it works within another DAW.

I really do hope they implement MIDI output from the plugin though. Would be a shame if that's not the case.

For me it is either Loomer Architect or Reason 11 Rack. Both are are expensive so I will buy only one. Architect has a midi out so looks like I will go that route. Too bad as I really would have liked to have a real choice. viewtopic.php?t=517104

[fresh squeezed]

It makes sense for them since the Rewire approach never had much traction. I thought that this is where they would be heading next. Makes sense, especially since FL Studio pioneered the DAW as a VST concept a long time ago.

The real question is going to be how much latency Reason's Rack plugin has verses FL Studio's DAW plugin?

Please post some comparison statistics when available, thanks.

[Saukar30]

My only questions on the Reason Rack VST:
1. Is it going to be multi-output?
2. Will the copy protection be the same as it is currently for Reason? So we can only use it on computer?

[fgimian]

Is it true that version 11 will be dropping Rewire?

yep

I'm extremely excited about Reason 11, but will admit that I think they should have kept ReWire around for another version to help us transition to this new way of working.

I asked the Propellerhead guys on Facebook if there's an easy way to migrate existing projects and honestly there isn't. It'll be a matter of saving presets and recreating each chain in the Reason plugin.

It would be been very helpful if you could import from an existing project into the Reason Plugin directly.

In saying all of this, I'm still so excited for this release. As someone who has used (and hated) ReWire extensively in the past, I would just love to have access to the Reason synths natively in Cubase without the fluff of ReWire.

I can see why you wouldn’t be able to load a whole reason project in one rack, but are they saying you can’t drag a combi or effects chain in there? That would be crazy and dumb.

Honestly not sure, hopefully we can drag and drop from Reason into the plugin, but Props said that to transfer things, you would need to save presets and import. I guess we'll find out when it becomes available.

[RikkShow]

Can Reason Rack Plugin host 3rd party VSTs?

And we have no plans for hosting VSTs inside our VST, high inception-warning on that one.

I absolutely do NOT understand this. With VSTs since 9.5 I can make the most powerful Rack/Combinator configurations combining REs with VSTs. Now you say I would have to deconstruct them all and somehow rebuild them inside my other DAW - is that even possible considering I may have CV routed to VSTs in the Combinator.

It would have been so perfect to sketch out a song in Reason using my Combinators with layered synths, added FX and a perfect mix of REs and VSTs. Reason can be the best idea generator and sound design environment.

Next step would be to bring that idea into my other DAW and use the same combinator sets and work on final arrangement and add audio recordings. This would have been such a crazy good work flow using the Reason Rack Plugin this way.

But is broken even before launch - smh - I just do not understand the logic in this. Sigh, super sigh…
"no plans" I AM SHOCKED - triple shocked - not kidding… Please reconsider and get it in 11.1. You already have the RE host for VSTs - is it not really simple to fix?

[ShawnG]

Can Reason Rack Plugin host 3rd party VSTs?

And we have no plans for hosting VSTs inside our VST, high inception-warning on that one.

I absolutely do NOT understand this. With VSTs since 9.5 I can make the most powerful Rack/Combinator configurations combining REs with VSTs. Now you say I would have to deconstruct them all and somehow rebuild them inside my other DAW - is that even possible considering I may have CV routed to VSTs in the Combinator.

It would have been so perfect to sketch out a song in Reason using my Combinators with layered synths, added FX and a perfect mix of REs and VSTs. Reason can be the best idea generator and sound design environment.

Next step would be to bring that idea into my other DAW and use the same combinator sets and work on final arrangement and add audio recordings. This would have been such a crazy good work flow using the Reason Rack Plugin this way.

But is broken even before launch - smh - I just do not understand the logic in this. Sigh, super sigh…
"no plans" I AM SHOCKED - triple shocked - not kidding… Please reconsider and get it in 11.1. You already have the RE host for VSTs - is it not really simple to fix?

It's probably incredibly simple to fix: but dealing with having to provide support for every possible combination of third party VST and Third Party VST host (with reason rack as the meat in the sandwich) is not simple at all.

[parma]

There's also the completely boneheaded fact that Reason proper can't host VST3s whereas the new Reason VST is only VST3 (and eventually AU). I mean, c'mon.