Reason 11 announced!!!
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- KVRist
- 126 posts since 4 Feb, 2012
Great update! That Rack as VST was one of the things that will improve my workflow.
Also I'm really glad to see Suite version - great value for people that didn't purchase Complex-1 and all the players that were recently released.
I hope to see someday Reason as an AUv3 for iPad. Anosou, is it something we can expect with desktop AU support?
I'm also wondering how all the midi related features would work in Rack plugin? Can I copy midi to track from DrOctorex? Can I copy midi to track from players? Is it possible to use External midi device within rack plugin? Are RE parameters reported to VST host for automation (ex.can I automate Thor filter from Ableton)?
Also I'm really glad to see Suite version - great value for people that didn't purchase Complex-1 and all the players that were recently released.
I hope to see someday Reason as an AUv3 for iPad. Anosou, is it something we can expect with desktop AU support?
I'm also wondering how all the midi related features would work in Rack plugin? Can I copy midi to track from DrOctorex? Can I copy midi to track from players? Is it possible to use External midi device within rack plugin? Are RE parameters reported to VST host for automation (ex.can I automate Thor filter from Ableton)?
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- Topic Starter
- 11467 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland
No wonder - we won't be able to do that.
Reason 11's Rack will be a VST that you can use as instrument or FX in other DAW
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- KVRAF
- 35437 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
I once said (well... more than once... ) that supporting VST will kill Reason. But now, i think they really make something good out of it. Offering the rack as VST is a great move, which surely will get them some new customers.
- KVRAF
- 2338 posts since 28 Feb, 2015
No, take my money first!
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- KVRAF
- 2288 posts since 21 Mar, 2012 from Nom..nom.. YOUR MOM
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- Topic Starter
- 11467 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland
The question is - will people really be paying $/EUR359 for full Reason to only access the Rack VST? Or perhaps they should sell Rack VST as a separate product without Mixer and Sequencer and at reduced price of say $/EUR249 or even $/EUR199?
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- KVRian
- 729 posts since 3 May, 2018
I said countless times hi res graphics is a total waste of time and resources from Propellerheads, and still is -- I'm glad they didn't listen to the same handful of people constantly squawking about it so they can run 4k zoom crap on their 20" laptop screens.
Looking through other posts I do however understand the mixed feelings from people who still use Reason as their primary DAW (of which I was on and off for 15 years, and the most vocal by far the last few years and garnered plenty of hate for it). The writing was on the wall long ago, even if you just took an honest appraisal of each release: despite all our efforts it was simply never going to happen that Reason was going to "DAW".
Props made the absolutely right move. They'll pull in more sales in this release than ever before, bring back Reason vets like myself, pull in countless new customers, and be in a far better position to work on any features they feel is worth working on, even the useless ones like hi res graphics and mobile crap.
Great job Propellerhead -- I decided to spring for the Studio and I don't need it at all, and many others will too.
Looking through other posts I do however understand the mixed feelings from people who still use Reason as their primary DAW (of which I was on and off for 15 years, and the most vocal by far the last few years and garnered plenty of hate for it). The writing was on the wall long ago, even if you just took an honest appraisal of each release: despite all our efforts it was simply never going to happen that Reason was going to "DAW".
Props made the absolutely right move. They'll pull in more sales in this release than ever before, bring back Reason vets like myself, pull in countless new customers, and be in a far better position to work on any features they feel is worth working on, even the useless ones like hi res graphics and mobile crap.
Great job Propellerhead -- I decided to spring for the Studio and I don't need it at all, and many others will too.
Have you tried Vital?
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- KVRAF
- 4507 posts since 3 Oct, 2013 from Budapest
just for sure, it's about the formats: "AU" and "AU MIDI FX" in Logic, isn't just MIDI-FX generally please support both of them if it's possible (check how the mp3244 modulation processor https://dialogaudio.com/modulationprocessor/ can work under Logic)Anosou wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:05 pmNot in the first version, no. And we have no plans for hosting VSTs inside our VST, high inception-warning on that one. Happy to hear you're interested in using Players as MIDI FX in your DAW though, definitely a good idea.
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"Where we're workarounding, we don't NEED features." - powermat
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- KVRer
- 1 posts since 19 Sep, 2014
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Reason Intro will have the Reason Rack plugin as well. That is 79 EURO only.
https://www.propellerheads.com/shop/pro ... -10-intro/ (https://www.propellerheads.com/shop/product/reason-10-intro/)
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- KVRAF
- 35437 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
TBH, that was the question i've been asking myself as well. Or... whether or not people would still use Reason's sequencer, when they can have the rack in a VST host. Questions the guys at PH surely asked themselves though. I see this, and the VST support as quite a change in the company's direction. Which surely was the intention in the first place.
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- KVRian
- 537 posts since 23 Jan, 2008 from Hamburg, Germany
I'm curious to see how things like pattern changes and parameter automation will work with the rack VST as we have no dedicated track for every rack device anymore.
Do we have to use automation lanes where you have to dig through hundreds of parameters to find the parameter for the current Octorex slot? Will old school MIDI also work (like program changes, notes or even CCs)? If yes then this would open up Reason for a lot of foreign control surfaces.
Do we have to use automation lanes where you have to dig through hundreds of parameters to find the parameter for the current Octorex slot? Will old school MIDI also work (like program changes, notes or even CCs)? If yes then this would open up Reason for a lot of foreign control surfaces.
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- KVRian
- 1482 posts since 26 Apr, 2019 from Netherlands
So if you have a Reason song file that contains VST plugins, then you can load the Reason Rack as VST plugin in your DAW and open the Reason song file?
This remark confuses me:
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- KVRAF
- 4507 posts since 3 Oct, 2013 from Budapest
parameter automation, I like the solution of FreesStyle best at this moment
parameters can be assigned to macros (can handle N:1 parameters:macro assignments) by moving them and can handle the different ranges too
parameters can be assigned to macros (can handle N:1 parameters:macro assignments) by moving them and can handle the different ranges too
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"Where we're workarounding, we don't NEED features." - powermat
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- Pick Me Pick me!
- 9685 posts since 12 Mar, 2002 from a state of confusion
Polls/surveys are often wrong. Mostly because you cannot force people to fill out a survey and the people who have abandoned your product probably don't want to fill out a survey. Therefore the results are skewed.Anosou wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2019 11:58 amIn the interest of honesty, it's not been the most requested feature for years. We do surveys, stalk forums, interview users, do market research and so on and while it's definitely requested, it's not the most requested feature. Doesn't mean we won't do it, but just wanted to clarify.keel wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2019 11:48 amThen why don't you make anything about it? It has been most request feature for years. I personally was like 99% sure that it will finally become on Reason 11. But no. Same old shiet.Anosou wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2019 11:45 amBelieve me, we're not ignoring it. I can't say anything definite but we're acutely aware.keel wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2019 11:43 am Anosou, how you can keep ignoring that high resolution graphis on every year and every release? As far as I know, the GUI is drawn by CPU, which makes it slow and laggy. Come and, add scaleable gui with GPU render, it's really time for that. It has been years already.
That aside, we're absolutely looking at it but as a company representative I simply can't say when/if we'll do it yet. Sorry!
I admit it is anecdotal, however I used to use and have great interest in Reason many many years ago. But the lack of GUI scaling made me look elsewhere. It seemed, at the time and whenever I periodically checked to see the state of the product, a rather requested feature on the forums. Yet your company has been silent on the matter for years.. maybe a decade now.
It is surprising, to me, to see your comments.. so this is a change.. some discussion. Yet I have no confidence your company will ever overhaul Reason to support larger resolutions.
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- KVRAF
- 2338 posts since 28 Feb, 2015
Seriously???
The Reason Rack will be a VST, nothing else, no note lanes, not mixer, ONLY the rack. How hard can it be to understand?
And how can Anosou's statement be confusing? You will NOT be able to host VST plugins in the Reason Rack VST, only Rack Extensions and stock Rack Devices...jeez!
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