Sample whatever you want!

[opia]

You got nothing better to do opia?

Best regards,

Spe3d

:O)

no

have you?

[whyterabbyt]

Holy c**ts you are arrogant.

No, I just play arrogant with fuckwits who insist their viewpoint is the only one on this earth.

The only reason you throw personal attacks is because of how ridiculously insecure you become when threatened intellectually.

Actually, the primary reason I throw personal attacks is when people start throwing them first. Im just better at it.

And I dont particularly feel intellectually threatened around here. Getting bored of assholes who can't think outside of their own little preconceptions isnt 'intellectually challenged'.

There are certainly people around here who are easily smarter than me. Most of them are capable of making a cogent argument for anything they believe, instead of whining, bitching, and attacking. If they're right, I have no problems acknowledging that.

You dont seem to fit in that particular category, though.

You're the worst to me for some reason

Not by a long chalk. I think you're overrating yourself quite heavily.

and I think it is because of my age as your insults hint so.

Age? Nah.

But you sure could do with an insight into maturity. You'll have to get it from someone else, though, I'll stick to dealing with you on a level you can currently understand. I always prefer that.

I'm going to go out on a limb here.

You do that. Allow me to yawn a lot while you do so.

I bet you were treated like shit when you were my age

Well yes, of course. Some people treated me like shit, some people treated me exceptionally well. Aint that what life is like?

and I bet it was because you were as much an arrogant prick as you are now,

The reason I got treated like shit? Nope, I think it was more to do with refusing to conform to what I was 'supposed' to be and do. That's always going to piss people off.

I guess that's going to be hard for someone like you to understand, given that your opinions seem to change from day to day depending on who you're trying to impress. But then, I was never that needy.

but you probably percieved everyone not liking you because they were jealous of your superb intellect and wisdom.

Plenty of people liked me. Because of my generous and helpful nature, and my sense of humour.

Very like KVR, in fact.

Of course some people are too dumb to get the humour. But hell, thats what mandatory sterilisation should be for, yeah?

This caused you to be an obsessive and paranoid person, making people like you even less and causes you to snap at people at online forums.

Well, Im the first to admit there are obsessive elements to my character. Accumulating and collecting things related to my interests, for example. But Im sure you mean that in a more pejorative sense. But Im not quite ready to trust your level of psychological insight, ya know?

Paranoid? Nah. Very well-balanced in that respect.

And some people like me loads. I get emails all the time telling me how much Ive entertained people. Those with a sense of humour, that is.

Of course, you wouldnt get that. You're dumb enough to have taken the 'childish speech' thread response absolutely and completely literally for example. You're so wound up in how you look to people, and how much you can yelp 'hey look at me' that you dont see anything at any other level than that. You can't see anythign byond the surface of a post, because you don't even understand the concept of depth.

But hey, you go on yelping, kiddo. Your main ambition seems to be how often you can get into 'todays quotable'. You have fun with that. I'll stick to trying to make sure people who dont know any better arent being misled and misinformed by those who should.

And remember; my responses are formed according to the way you reply to me.

You pathetic attention-seeking little cuntard.

[jens]

ya dahm right cant you tell by my bad spelling i'm only 12

I just thought it was your IQ.

http://www.ac.wwu.edu/~sngynan/slx14.html

[DWb]

When the law is being oppressive, unrealistic and unenforceable.....

Hmmmmmm.... I wonder.....

If you were the talented drummer who laid your grooves down on some classic soul/funk track back in the 60s/70s and you were now maybe short of work to support your family in your latter years, how would you feel to hear YOUR work being commercially exploited by someone with a sampler who just lifted a few bars of YOUR work off some old record and re-packaged it as their own creation?

Noone's repackaging anything as their creation. Someone's finding a bit of a record that, when combined with a load of other bits of other records and bits of original material, makes a record that sounds nothing like my original record.

I might get some sense of irony, but I wouldn't feel there was any injustice. I'd have been paid for the original session, and am probably not even getting a percentage of sales on the tune. If I was, the tune getting sampled wouldn't reduce the amount I was getting for that - if anything it'd probably increase it. How many people here would even have heard of the Winstons if it wasn't for the amen break? Hell, I might even get back into drumming to do sessions for all the people who want to do something other than sampling my breaks.

So no. Your argument has some emotive language (would it be different if the original drummer had won the lottery and wanted some extra cash for a new yacht?) but basically doesn't work.

[herodotus]

Noone's repackaging anything as their creation.

Actually, it is done all of the time.

I might get some sense of irony, but I wouldn't feel there was any injustice. I'd have been paid for the original session, and am probably not even getting a percentage of sales on the tune.

So if drummers were ripped off by people in years past, it is only fair that they should be ripped off today as well?

If I was, the tune getting sampled wouldn't reduce the amount I was getting for that - if anything it'd probably increase it. How many people here would even have heard of the Winstons if it wasn't for the amen break?

Yeah, but you would think that at least a couple of the people who use it regularly would at least want to tip the guy (G.C. Coleman).

But no, everyone just takes the "He should feel lucky that we are using his part and it's not our fault if he is now living in squalor" line.

Sounds like a lawyer to me.

[DWb]

Noone's repackaging anything as their creation.

Actually, it is done all of the time.

In the sense of 'listen to my mad live drumming skills on this drum and bass tune'?

I might get some sense of irony, but I wouldn't feel there was any injustice. I'd have been paid for the original session, and am probably not even getting a percentage of sales on the tune.

So if drummers were ripped off by people in years past, it is only fair that they should be ripped off today as well?

They're not being ripped off. They aren't doing any more work and they aren't getting any more money. If I sold a plot of land which subsequently turned out to have an oil well on it, I might be annoyed, but if the new owner had paid me a fair price for the land, I wouldn't feel that they owed me anything.

If I was, the tune getting sampled wouldn't reduce the amount I was getting for that - if anything it'd probably increase it. How many people here would even have heard of the Winstons if it wasn't for the amen break?

Yeah, but you would think that at least a couple of the people who use it regularly would at least want to tip the guy (G.C. Coleman).

Yeah, I'd have thought they would. Running samples like donationware would be an entirely good thing. If I made loads of money off amen tracks I'd be happy to donate some of it. But I would feel unpleasantly patronising having to say 'here you are old man, have some money, go out and get yourself something nice' unless there was some structure in place for that already. People I don't know donating money to me because they've heard I'm too poor to support my family would piss me off royally.

[snooky]

this is becomming one of those hearthwarming threads, gather 'round and feel at home with big uncle joe!

[waveriderarts]

so no real need to worry about what you do unless you are big

Subz

..and what about radio play? I do not think a radio can play us if we did not clear our samples..

[herodotus]

Noone's repackaging anything as their creation.

Actually, it is done all of the time.

In the sense of 'listen to my mad live drumming skills on this drum and bass tune'?

In the sense of sample c.d.s filled with uncleared samples. Happens every day.

I might get some sense of irony, but I wouldn't feel there was any injustice. I'd have been paid for the original session, and am probably not even getting a percentage of sales on the tune.

So if drummers were ripped off by people in years past, it is only fair that they should be ripped off today as well?

They're not being ripped off. They aren't doing any more work and they aren't getting any more money.

Here's the deal. For years it was just accepted that drummers didn't really contribute to music. The people who wrote the melody were 'musicians' and got royalties. The people who wrote the accompaniment were 'musicians' and got royalties.

Hell the people who just wrote the words were 'musicians' and got royalties as well.

But the guy that was making everyone dance was lucky to get cigarette money.

Sure they were at least partially to blame, just as anyone who allows themselves to be taken advantage of is. But there are years and years of precedent behind the vagaries of copyright law, and centuries of precedent behind the prejudices enshrined in said laws. Whats a poor drummer going to do against all of that?

If I sold a plot of land which subsequently turned out to have an oil well on it, I might be annoyed, but if the new owner had paid me a fair price for the land, I wouldn't feel that they owed me anything.

Ah, but what if you hadn't been given a fair price? If we were talking about a melody line no one would argue against giving the writer of it royalties. But if its a drum part apparantly we can take advantage of the fact that the copyright office doesn't regard drummers as musicians.

If I was, the tune getting sampled wouldn't reduce the amount I was getting for that - if anything it'd probably increase it. How many people here would even have heard of the Winstons if it wasn't for the amen break?

Yeah, but you would think that at least a couple of the people who use it regularly would at least want to tip the guy (G.C. Coleman).

Yeah, I'd have thought they would. Running samples like donationware would be an entirely good thing. If I made loads of money off amen tracks I'd be happy to donate some of it. But I would feel unpleasantly patronising having to say 'here you are old man, have some money, go out and get yourself something nice' unless there was some structure in place for that already. People I don't know donating money to me because they've heard I'm too poor to support my family would piss me off royally.

Me too.
Good point, that.

[DWb]

Noone's repackaging anything as their creation.

Actually, it is done all of the time.

In the sense of 'listen to my mad live drumming skills on this drum and bass tune'?

In the sense of sample c.d.s filled with uncleared samples. Happens every day.

Oh, I didn't know about that. Well, IMO, that's shit and shouldn't happen. Essentially, my moral position on this is that nicking other people's stuff and combining it with a fat wad of your own creativity is fair, but repackaging other people's stuff and saying 'pay me for this rather than the guy who did it' isn't.

Sure they were at least partially to blame, just as anyone who allows themselves to be taken advantage of is. But there are years and years of precedent behind the vagaries of copyright law, and centuries of precedent behind the prejudices enshrined in said laws. What's a poor drummer going to do against all of that?

Yeah, that's also shit. Although that has more to do with the 70's recording industry than with sampling.

Ah, but what if you hadn't been given a fair price? If we were talking about a melody line no one would argue against giving the writer of it royalties. But if its a drum part apparantly we can take advantage of the fact that the copyright office doesn't regard drummers as musicians.

Actually, as stated above, I'm a sampling fundamentalist, so provided that the samplist is mashing the original into a whole that is their own creation and isn't trying to 'compete' with the original, I would argue against giving the writer royalties. The 'stealing someone's intellectual property isn't like stealing their car because it doesn't deprive them of anything' doesn't work in general, but in my opinion you should be able to steal someone's intellectual property if it really doesn't deprive them of anything. And in my opinion a drill and bass mashup of a tune doesn't deprive the original writer of anything.

[herodotus]

but in my opinion you should be able to steal someone's intellectual property if it really doesn't deprive them of anything. And in my opinion a drill and bass mashup of a tune doesn't deprive the original writer of anything.

I actually agree with that.

I am a big believer that copyright law is getting out of control. The DMCA is lawyerism at it's worst.

I just think it is odd that with the central place of drums in so much modern music, and with all of the changes in copyright law taking place, that the 'melodist/lyricist' model of songwriting enshrined in that law (which goes back to tin pan alley and earlier) is still firmly in place.

[The Chase]

Hey look Whytrabbyt! I'm you!

Holy c**ts you are arrogant.

No, I just play arrogant with fuckwits who insist their viewpoint is the only one on this earth.

Oh, the irony...

The only reason you throw personal attacks is because of how ridiculously insecure you become when threatened intellectually.

Actually, the primary reason I throw personal attacks is when people start throwing them first. Im just better at it.

And I dont particularly feel intellectually threatened around here. Getting bored of assholes who can't think outside of their own little preconceptions isnt 'intellectually challenged'.

you'd like to think so, aye? keep masturbating.

I bet you were treated like shit when you were my age

Well yes, of course. Some people treated me like shit, some people treated me exceptionally well.

The reason I got treated like shit? Nope, I think it was more to do with refusing to conform to what I was 'supposed' to be and do. That's always going to piss people off.

born a real rebel, aye?

I guess that's going to be hard for someone like you to understand, given that your opinions seem to change from day to day depending on who you're trying to impress. But then, I was never that needy.

What teh f**k? how does it look like im trying to impress anyone here? You say the same shit to everyone you dont like as you take their posts apart peice by peice out of context, like you set down a series of insults that are probably on some level to yourself, like the bully who called everyone a mama's boy and would go home to be the biggest mama's boy himself.

but you probably percieved everyone not liking you because they were jealous of your superb intellect and wisdom.

Plenty of people liked me. Because of my generous and helpful nature, and my sense of humour.

Just keep telling yourself that, big buddy. Sounds liek you're trying to convince yourself more than anyone.

This caused you to be an obsessive and paranoid person, making people like you even less and causes you to snap at people at online forums.

some people like me loads. I get emails all the time telling me how much Ive entertained people. Those with a sense of humour, that is.

again, keep trying to tell yourself that. Are you aware that inflated baloons are full of - air?

Of course, you wouldnt get that. You're dumb enough to have taken the 'childish speech' thread response absolutely and completely literally for example. You're so wound up in how you look to people, and how much you can yelp 'hey look at me' that you dont see anything at any other level than that. You can't see anythign byond the surface of a post, because you don't even understand the concept of depth.

Wow. It's like you've replaced your mirror with the nick you see as "Chase". All of your "insults" are self-reminiscent, like the bully analogy.

But hey, you go on yelping, kiddo. Your main ambition seems to be how often you can get into 'todays quotable'. You have fun with that.

How does someone TRY to get in a quote thread? You're just pissed since you're f**king dull and never get in there? why would anyone even care?

[vurt]

[The Chase]

*hugs vurt*

[vurt]

*hugs vurt*

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