T3 - AES New Feature Preview

[tomg]

The thing NOT to do is find the tool that works for you, then go on a forum about a tool that doesn't work for you, and complain that it doesn't work for you, and why don't they change it so it's more like the other thing you've found that works for you, that already exists, that you already own, that you could be using to do the things you need to do.

Because that is known as "completely f**king pointless".
I'm amazed how many people miss the above.

I own T2. I gave Mackie my cash they gave me nothing. I think they are going in the wrong direction and said so. If you don't want to listen to people complain about stuff they bought and shit they don't like about it, KVR is the wrong place for you my friend.

[tomg]

That was all about me and how T2 does not work for me. You can do what you want. It was my opinion... So what? Mackie don't care why should you?

it was, right up until you advised world and dog to take its money elsewhere. At which point you opted to do the thinking for all of us. Thanks for that.

Why take advice from me? You don't even know me. BTW advice is optional. Look it up.

[chico.co.uk]

The thing NOT to do is find the tool that works for you, then go on a forum about a tool that doesn't work for you, and complain that it doesn't work for you, and why don't they change it so it's more like the other thing you've found that works for you, that already exists, that you already own, that you could be using to do the things you need to do.

Because that is known as "completely f**king pointless".
I'm amazed how many people miss the above.

I own T2. I gave Mackie my cash they gave me nothing. I think they are going in the wrong direction and said so. If you don't want to listen to people complain about stuff they bought and shit they don't like about it, KVR is the wrong place for you my friend.

Oh, i'm not your friend, you have me confused with someone who gives a f**k. I just thought i'd point out that it's only your life you're wasting, but it's yours to waste, so feel free.

However, I can hear the world's smallest violin playing only for you, right now

[chico.co.uk]

Why take advice from me? You don't even know me. BTW advice is optional. Look it up.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/advice

Nope, nothing there about "optional". You're not too hot on the facts front tonight, are you sweetie?

[pHz]

slainte rob

[Chuck E. Jesus]

I've got a feeling that me and T2 are going to part ways for good after I find out they didn't do anything about the crap midi and there's still no way to insert a "filter" between the input and track.

It looks like they've given up on making a great sequencer and entered the Acid wannabe camp. I've had this damn thing for 3 years and I've never done one song with it. I might even sell it for $1 'cause that's about all I think it's worth. I've had eXT for less than 6 months and I've got 14 or 15 complete tunes.

Everytime I sit down with eXT I leave with something I want to keep. I can't say that about anything else. Cubase used to crash and take my music with it. Then I'd just shut down the computer and leave dejected and empty handed. Tracksion has been even worse because I can't get anything done at all with it. It might be great for recording bands and now the Acid kiddies but that ain't me.

Every now and then I use it to assemble and normalize wave files into a soundtrack but I've got Audition and really wouldn't care if T2 went away altogether. I don't even have it installed anymore. My advice is spend your money somewhere else. Mackie doesn't care or midi would have been fixed years ago. I'm a little bitter about this and I'm not all that happy with Steinberg either but Cubase is out of my life. I still have T2 for the time being.

i'd never blame any fairly good DAW for me not getting work done...that is really silly...

[Chuck E. Jesus]

tomg: why would you want to insert a filter *before* a track?? in other words why edit an input stream destrucively when you can do the exact same thing non-destructively with a filter after the data??

what about compression or slight eq while recording?

[pHz]

if you want compression on input it needs to be BEFORE it hits the a/d converters on your soundcard surely ???

slainte rob

[rainydays]

I own T2. I gave Mackie my cash they gave me nothing. I think they are going in the wrong direction and said so. If you don't want to listen to people complain about stuff they bought and shit they don't like about it, KVR is the wrong place for you my friend.

Well, you bought T2 knowing what you were getting right? Then you can't say they gave you nothing. They gave you exactly what you were paying for, and that's T2, not T3.

That said. I think it's completely fair to bitch about missing features or that the development is going in the wrong direction as long as it's in a constructive way.

[koolkeys]

tomg, your rants are ridiculous. If T3 doesn't have what you were hoping, then fine. Move on.

But you tell others to "take their money elsewhere", which is stupid. You tell us that "Mackie doesn't care", even though every feature on the list is pretty much from the MOST REQUESTED features of it's users. Plus, Beno has already stated the desire to even include MORE based on this topic.

Then you say that you gave money to Mackie, and they gave you nothing. BULLCRAP! Give me a freaking break! YOU had the chance to try the demo. YOU weren't forced to give money. If it wasn't what YOU wanted, then why did you spend money on it? Who's fault is that? How ridiculous to think that. And you say that Mackie hasn't listened for years, when T2 had some of the most requested features, and T3 has some of the most requested features.

I'll be waiting. Just tell me one reason why Mackie owes you anything. Not the idiotic ramblings that you've posted so far. Not that Mackie hasn't listened. They just haven't put in exactly what you want. Hey, it happens. Enjoy all your other hosts that you've found utopia with and stop griping about something that is YOUR fault.

Brent

[rainydays]

if you want compression on input it needs to be BEFORE it hits the a/d converters on your soundcard surely ???

Exactly, putting a compressor before or after the track in a sequenser makes absolutely no difference. Putting it before your ADC does make a difference.

[valley]

tomg: why would you want to insert a filter *before* a track?? in other words why edit an input stream destrucively when you can do the exact same thing non-destructively with a filter after the data??

what about compression or slight eq while recording?

again, why the hell would you want to do such a thing destructively?

Compression *before* it hits your audio device is one thing; it's a poor solution for avoiding clipping in a recording, but sometimes it's a necessary evil. Once the recording has reached tracktion though, doing anythign to the signal before it is recorded is just shooting yourself in the foot.

What if tomorrow you realise the 'slight eq' was not to slight after all?

[valley]

wow, much to slow.

[semiquaver]

Tomg: Put your clean guitar into Tracktion - put the effects after the track - enable end to end and youre there.

The advantage to this arrangement is that *you can tweak the effects afterwards if they're not right*. Then you can render the track to a new track and mute your original track to save processing power. Later during mixdown you can still change your mind, return to the original track, and change the effects and rerender.

What would you gain from an using an effect on the way in?

[SaviorNeeded]

rainydays mentioned the word "constructive"--maybe THAT'S the word we sould look up.

But I guess we've pretty much covered the original topic. I for one am excited about T3, just as I was for T2.