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valhallasound · Post by **valhallasound** » Fri Nov 20, 2015 4:51 pm

Agility wrote: The mode where you can pan the reverb on your return and it will pan the reverb to just the location you pan it too... So you can have ONE instance of a reverb but have it panned in different locations(And I don't mean just the early reflections or one aspect of the reverb.. the whole reverb as if the reverb aux was panned to that location) on different sounds... Was this not possible back in the day??

This was definitely possible back in the day. You can hear this on records such as the first Van Halen album. EVH's guitar is panned to one side, and a delayed plate reverb of the guitar is panned to the other side.

Mind you, this wasn't a feature of the reverb itself. The reverb had two controls (decay, and a fixed highpass filter on the input). All the panning and such was done via the mixing desk.

Even if not it's still a cool feature and I don't know why it's been omitted from the Valhalla verbs?

This is what the mono-in, mono-out mode in ValhallaPlate is intended for. DAWs that have mono tracks, like Pro Tools and Logic, can have a true mono output, that then can be panned by a panner within the DAW.

As far as incorporating this within the plugin, to me this seems like the sort of thing that is best handled by mixing techniques, rather than within the plugin itself. Things like panning, complex EQ, compression, etc., are well handled by the built in plugins within most DAWs, or by 3rd party plugins that specialize in this thing.

The goal of the Valhalla plugins is to only include those features that are necessary for the plugin itself. This is why the EQ sections are fairly simple. If you're running the plugin in a DAW, you have EQs. And panners, compressors, all that stuff. No need to clutter up the interface with redundant controls. Modularity leads to minimalism.

Sean Costello

SuitcaseOfLizards · Post by **SuitcaseOfLizards** » Fri Nov 20, 2015 6:21 pm

Tp3 wrote:
SyntheticAurality wrote:I came.. I heard.. I bought!
Its the other way around....

I bought!.. I heard....I came

Clean-up on Aisle 3!

comfortablynick · Post by **comfortablynick** » Fri Nov 20, 2015 6:22 pm

valhallasound wrote: A mono plate is identical to a stereo plate, just with one output pickup fitted. So taking either the left or right output from ValhallaPlate will be the same as a mono plate, assuming that you are feeding the input to both the left and right inputs. ValhallaPlate splits up the mono input of most plates into a stereo input, but will act like a mono plate if the same signal is fed into the left and right inputs.

I guess that's where I was getting confused; were the original mono EMT plate pickups located in the same place as one of the stereo pickups?

Since the characteristics of the reverb can be different depending on the pickup location, I assume if an engineer wanted a mono return from a stereo plate, he would just pick whichever channel sounded better? That's what I figure I'll be doing with ValhallaPlate if I try to use it in mono. Maybe the sound isn't that different, but sometimes it sounds like it is.

valhallasound wrote:The Ecoplate I heard sounded far more "digital" than the EMT140, probably due to high frequency transients decaying at a long rate. If you have several seconds of decay at 10 kHz and above, that just turns into a hissy noise. I prefer the shorter maximum decay to be shorter, which makes transients sound more natural.

That makes sense. I think when most people describe a reverb as being "digital," it's because it's too bright. When I compared Verbtone to ValhallaPlate, I thought that Verbtone had a lot more high end "hash" sound. It may be an accurate model of the plate SKNote used, but I much prefer the sound of ValhallaPlate.

valhallasound wrote:The true stereo, mono->stereo, and mono->mono options are available in a lot of DAWs. These are supported channel formats in the various plugin standards. Some DAWs (Reaper and Ableton come to mind) are stereo only, so you'll need to use a utility/pan/imaging/whatever to get true mono.

That's a good point; as long as I can understand how the plugin works, I have no problem doing this. I do appreciate when some plugins have a "mono" mode but this just makes it a little more convenient in Reaper by forcing a mono signal path. (Klanghelm & Tokyo Dawn plugins come to mind.) Not having mono tracks is a shortcoming in Reaper, IMO. I appreciate you taking the time to explain how it works so I can work around that.

Nick

valhallasound · Post by **valhallasound** » Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:12 pm

comfortablynick wrote: I guess that's where I was getting confused; were the original mono EMT plate pickups located in the same place as one of the stereo pickups?

The stereo EMT plates basically had two mono output pickups. These would be in different locations from each other on the plate, at different distances from the driver, and at different orientations from the top/bottom of the plate. The different locations is what resulted in the decorrelation and wide stereo image.

Sean Costello

Tp3 · Post by **Tp3** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 1:12 pm

Vocal plate ? esp. @ 01:00 min

valhallasound · Post by **valhallasound** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 7:14 pm

Tp3 wrote:Vocal plate ? esp. @ 01:00 min

Sure sounds like a plate to my ears. Same with the main reverb on "Hello." Either of these could be a digital reverb that is tweaked to remove the high frequency hiss, but the live performance really has that plate depth.

I just looked at the equipment list in the room where the above video was tracked (https://milocostudios.com/studios/the-c ... equipment/). There is an EMT140 in that room, so my guess is that is what we are hearing. Then again, they have a bunch of plugins there, including all of the Valhalla plugins, except for ValhallaPlate, which came out after this video was recorded. I'm guessing EMT140, but if it was SmoothPlate from ValhallaVintageVerb, I wouldn't complain.

Sean Costello

TheKid · Post by **TheKid** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 7:59 pm

God, that voice. <3

Tp3 · Post by **Tp3** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 10:54 pm

valhallasound wrote:I'm guessing EMT140

Me too.

keyman_sam · Post by **keyman_sam** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 11:26 pm

TheKid wrote:God, that voice. <3

Great voice. Honestly though aren't her songs just simple pop? I don't see how she's as famous as she is. Her stuff sounds fine, just like any other pop artist. But people are treating her like she's some sort of multi-talented Michael Jackson. I don't get that at all. Must be a brit thing.

clintmartin · Post by **clintmartin** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 11:35 pm

keyman_sam wrote:
TheKid wrote:God, that voice. <3
Great voice. Honestly though aren't her songs just simple pop? I don't see how she's as famous as she is. Her stuff sounds fine, just like any other pop artist. But people are treating her like she's some sort of multi-talented Michael Jackson. I don't get that at all. Must be a brit thing.

I agree 100%.

dumbledog · Post by **dumbledog** » Sun Nov 22, 2015 2:33 am

Ain't nothing wrong with simple pop.

clintmartin · Post by **clintmartin** » Sun Nov 22, 2015 2:43 am

dumbledog wrote:Ain't nothing wrong with simple pop.

100% agree with that too!

fedexnman · Post by **fedexnman** » Sun Nov 22, 2015 3:14 am

clintmartin wrote:
dumbledog wrote:Ain't nothing wrong with simple pop.
100% agree with that too!

Kind of disagree about "SIMPLE" pop , Adele's "One and Only" is in 12/8 , I have to learn it for a wedding where the bride sings it to her groom .I play it on acoustic guitar . Alot of different chord changes and timing in that particular song . Anyways I hope Vahalla will go the U-he route and make some Linux versions , I sold Valhalla Room not to long ago becuase Triple V was being used all the time . Vahalla Plate looks amusing .

valhallasound · Post by **valhallasound** » Mon Nov 23, 2015 4:46 pm

One of the engineers for Adele posted on Gearslutz. The reverb on the latest record is probably Bricasti, with Echoboy for predelay.

Sean Costello

Tp3 · Post by **Tp3** » Mon Nov 23, 2015 6:06 pm

valhallasound wrote:One of the engineers for Adele posted on Gearslutz. The reverb on the latest record is probably Bricasti, with Echoboy for predelay.

Sean Costello

Where did you see that ?
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