Objective Differences: Ableton Live 9.5 vs Bitwig?
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- KVRAF
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No hostility toward devs and kudos to programmers who are working hard, but I'm all against no-brainer plagiarism of Bitwig. I can understand the point Theo stated about this part. And this always arouse "Bitwig is Live copy", "A is better, B must be better" argument. It's inevitable and had begun since Bitwig copied the whole product design from Live.
Just accept this. You can't fight fate.
Just accept this. You can't fight fate.
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Bitwig is one of the best things to happen for Live users... Ableton has definitely sharpened up since it's release and Live users have benefitted.tooneba wrote:No hostility toward devs and kudos to programmers who are working hard, but I'm all against no-brainer plagiarism of Bitwig. I can understand the point Theo stated about this part. And this always arouse "Bitwig is Live copy", "A is better, B must be better" argument. It's inevitable and had begun since Bitwig copied the whole product design from Live.
Just accept this. You can't fight fate.
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I own Bitwig, Live, and FL Studio. I use what suits me in the moment, and finish out the project where I started it.
I have things that I love and dislike about all of them. In the end, though, all I care about is making music, and if the tools I'm using are helping me do that or not. They all are
Anyway, a year from now perhaps I'll be monogamous....
I have things that I love and dislike about all of them. In the end, though, all I care about is making music, and if the tools I'm using are helping me do that or not. They all are
Anyway, a year from now perhaps I'll be monogamous....
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Also the mantra that "Look at v1.0 vs Live 9.0. How much has been accomplished just in v1.0."tooneba wrote:No hostility toward devs and kudos to programmers who are working hard, but I'm all against no-brainer plagiarism of Bitwig. I can understand the point Theo stated about this part. And this always arouse "Bitwig is Live copy", "A is better, B must be better" argument. It's inevitable and had begun since Bitwig copied the whole product design from Live.
Just accept this. You can't fight fate.
Partially true.
BUT
It is easy to start from Copying a Concept, and having an Inside Knowledge, than starting a Dynasty of incredible innovative workflow such as Live when they created it.
Live is an amazing Instrument/DAW.
So trying to get all the Medals after Live fought the War in the process, isn't that fair.
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Personally, I do not see Bitwig Studio as a copy of Live. I think while there are similarities between the two, they each have their own personality and work flow and are two different DAW's just as is Sonar, Cubase, Studio One, etc. They are all exactly the same only different
Here, some things in both Live 9.5 and in Bitwig Studio work; and other things in both do not. So, in that respect they are the same and have no objective differences.
For those things that work for me, the major differences I notice are:
1.) BWS has a better (read more graphical) GUI. I find it easier to follow along in BWS, completing song structure. Now, while this "Scenes" display could be considered a copy of Live, IMHO BWS did it better.
2.) MIDI and Audio routing in Live is very straight forward. In BWS, routing is quite convoluted and difficult.
3.) I have been able to complete projects in Live. A huge objective difference! This due primarilary to I have no problems running VEP5 in Live whereas BWS has glitches with VEP5. This shuts me down, disrupts my work flow and causes frustration which makes me go back to Live each time.
I'm sure other differences and similarities exist but these are my major ones for now.
Here, some things in both Live 9.5 and in Bitwig Studio work; and other things in both do not. So, in that respect they are the same and have no objective differences.
For those things that work for me, the major differences I notice are:
1.) BWS has a better (read more graphical) GUI. I find it easier to follow along in BWS, completing song structure. Now, while this "Scenes" display could be considered a copy of Live, IMHO BWS did it better.
2.) MIDI and Audio routing in Live is very straight forward. In BWS, routing is quite convoluted and difficult.
3.) I have been able to complete projects in Live. A huge objective difference! This due primarilary to I have no problems running VEP5 in Live whereas BWS has glitches with VEP5. This shuts me down, disrupts my work flow and causes frustration which makes me go back to Live each time.
I'm sure other differences and similarities exist but these are my major ones for now.
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