Albleton Live 10 overpriced?

[pekbro]

So do those of us upgrading to Suite v 10 who already have Suite v9 and M4L pay the same upgrade as those who just have Suite 9, meaning we're effectively getting charged more as Suite upgraders now get M4L included

M4L is included as part of the Suite in Live 9 and 10. Anyone who owns Live 9 Suite has M4L. This is not the same as a full license for MAX, if thats what you mean. If so, I doubt it has any bearing on the price to upgrade to live 10.

[elxsound]

Isn't the upgrade price the same as its always been, even before M4L?

I can't find my previous receipts except for L8 to L9 (suite to suite) which was $249 with the intro offer (I think).

I started on PT and a lite version of Live 6, and then upgraded to Live 7 standard, then Live 7 to Live 8 standard and L8 standard to L8 suite.

I can say that Ableton Live has become cheaper than what it used to be. It comes with more and does more than it used to, but its cheaper than what it was. If I remember right, for a single year, my path to becoming a suite owner was somewhere in $1200 range, after adding on individual instrument packs, and instruments/devices plus the standard to suite upgrade price (which I should have done in the first place).

The $239 that they are asking for suite to suite upgrade is in IMO not bad if you can count on using Live 9/10 as your main software recording platform.

They are more active in providing substantial .5 updates that some companies would charge you for, plus their upgrade cycle is more focused on providing solid stable performance than maintaining yearly releases so if the past is anything to infer from, then I'd say your $239 gets you a long ways.

[.jon]

Found out buried in the faq

"I own Live Intro. How can I upgrade to Live 10 Intro?
We don’t offer upgrades from Live 8-9 Intro to Live 10 Intro. We recommend to either upgrade to Live 9 Standard or Suite during the sellout campaign."

Intro is basically a demo version with very limited feature set, why would anyone want to upgrade that?

Intro is not a demo version and has the full feature set with only a few unimportant omissions.

[paradisebunny]

I use Reaper as my main daw, but sometimes for creative purposes i really enjoy working in the restricted and stripped down 16 track environment of intro. it forces you to get the basics right, which can be really rewarding creatively.

[paradisebunny]

DJ Warmonger wrote:

paradisebunny wrote:
Found out buried in the faq

"I own Live Intro. How can I upgrade to Live 10 Intro?
We don’t offer upgrades from Live 8-9 Intro to Live 10 Intro. We recommend to either upgrade to Live 9 Standard or Suite during the sellout campaign."


Intro is basically a demo version with very limited feature set, why would anyone want to upgrade that?

I use Reaper as my main daw, but sometimes for creative purposes i really enjoy working in the restricted and stripped down 16 track environment of intro. it forces you to get the basics right, which can be really rewarding creatively.

[Daags]

if I was in the position many people are in, querying whether to upgrade from 9 -> 10 ..... I'd say yes, sure, absolutely.

anyway, upgrading from 9 -> 10, a 20% discount wouldn't entice me into the role of early-adopter. no sir-ee bob.

So? Make up your mind

That's a hilarious edit you made to the quote there
You definitey have a career in comedy if the music production doesn't pan out.

[rod_zero]

Consider as well that you are not just paying for the new features but also for anything that may come in the next cycle, probably 4 years.

[antic604]

if I was in the position many people are in, querying whether to upgrade from 9 -> 10 ..... I'd say yes, sure, absolutely.

anyway, upgrading from 9 -> 10, a 20% discount wouldn't entice me into the role of early-adopter. no sir-ee bob.

So? Make up your mind

That's a hilarious edit you made to the quote there
You definitey have a career in comedy if the music production doesn't pan out.

Believe me, I've re-read your post several times and I see nothing in this middle bit that I've cut makes sense in context of those two fragments that I left: you say, "yes I'd definitely upgrade" then make some vague consideration about possible bugs and early adopters being beta-testers, to conclude that "no, you most certainly wouldn't".

I mean, if you plan to write a post, think about what you want to write and not change the mind in course of writing. Or at least edit it before sending so that it sounds coherent.

And thanks, I've got a great job and don't need any career in music nor comedy - both are my hobbies.

[Daags]

if I was in the position many people are in, querying whether to upgrade from 9 -> 10 ..... I'd say yes, sure, absolutely.

anyway, upgrading from 9 -> 10, a 20% discount wouldn't entice me into the role of early-adopter. no sir-ee bob.

So? Make up your mind

That's a hilarious edit you made to the quote there
You definitey have a career in comedy if the music production doesn't pan out.

Believe me, I've re-read your post several times and I see nothing in this middle bit that I've cut makes sense in context of those two fragments that I left: you say, "yes I'd definitely upgrade" then make some vague consideration about possible bugs and early adopters being beta-testers, to conclude that "no, you most certainly wouldn't".

I mean, if you plan to write a post, think about what you want to write and not change the mind in course of writing. Or at least edit it before sending so that it sounds coherent.

And thanks, I've got a great job and don't need any career in music nor comedy - both are my hobbies.

oh, wow ... seriously: wow.
I guess I was being generous in thinking you were trying to make a joke as opposed to being either a completely disingenuous shitheel, or someone with an abject lack of basic comprehension skills.

Here's the quote, without your edit .... I've emphasised some keywords that, for some reason, you feel have no impact on what is being said:

if I was in the position many people are in, querying whether to upgrade from 9 -> 10 ..... I'd say yes, sure, absolutely. A year after release. Let the bleeding edge types spend the time pointing out the kinks so Ableton can iron them out. In a year, you should typically be past the worst of it ... and chances are you'll get the upgrade for a 30% discount as an added bonus (aren't the seasonal Ableton sales usually in the 30% zone ?)


anyway, upgrading from 9 -> 10, a 20% discount wouldn't entice me into the role of early-adopter. no sir-ee bob.

I'm not sure why your feeble mind has trouble comprehending what's being said here, or why on god's green earth you are finding even a hint of contradiction. I start by saying I'd encourage upgrading from 9 -> 10 a year after release (something you slyly/idiotically cut away). I end by saying the current discount isn't enough to entice me to be an early-adopter. And the 'middle bit' that you cut explains in clear terms why waiting a year after release to upgrade, and not being an early-adopter, is a good idea or at the very least a good idea as far as i am concerned.

clear, straight forward, no contradictions. Unless you are a thoroughbred moron.

[antic604]

completely disingenuous shitheel (...) your feeble mind has trouble comprehending (...) something you slyly/idiotically cut away (...) Unless you are a thoroughbred moron.

Having fun, huh?

Ok, I can see now what you meant. The fact that this is split in two lines on my screen led me to read these as independent sentences - as if "A year after release" belongs to the "Let the bleeding edge types..." and there's a dot between them for no reason. Sorry, my bad

[Daags]

completely disingenuous shitheel (...) your feeble mind has trouble comprehending (...) something you slyly/idiotically cut away (...) Unless you are a thoroughbred moron.

Having fun, huh?

You're the one having fun with your crafty quote edits.

Ok, I can see now what you meant. The fact that this is split in two lines on my screen led me to read these as independent sentences - as if "A year after release" belongs to the "Let the bleeding edge types..." and there's a dot between them for no reason. Sorry, my bad

Please, don't bother trying to explain to me the reason for your comprehension failings ... your explanation is even more bewildering than the failing itself. How you can supposedly 're-read my post several times' and still find yourself at such an utter loss of comprehension is truly beyond me ... but I feel your crafty quote edit of the original post which made it incomprehensible, coupled with your grinning emoticons, revealed the real motivation: mischief. Anyway, I don't accept your apology as it lacks credibility imo. But I am content to move on.

[evilmarshmallow]

EDITED: Removed

[evilmarshmallow]

Anyone else getting dodgy upgrade pricing from Ableton?

My upgrade offer from Std->Suite = AUD$359/$449 pre-discount

Prices on Ableton Shop are Std=AUD$479/599 pre-discount and Suite=AUD$799/999 pre-discount.

So, my upgrade is $49 MORE! than retail price difference between Std & Suite. This does seem over-priced

[elxsound]

Anyone else getting dodgy upgrade pricing from Ableton?

My upgrade offer from Std->Suite = AUD$359/$449 pre-discount

Prices on Ableton Shop are Std=AUD$479/599 pre-discount and Suite=AUD$799/999 pre-discount.

So, my upgrade is $49 MORE! than retail price difference between Std & Suite. This does seem over-priced

Not defending it nor do I have any insider knowledge about Ableton marketing but just pointing out that is typical.
Most often bundle pricing is cheaper than upgrading to a bundle or cheaper than buying items from the bundle separately. The idea is to entice people to pay more now. It’s not limited to Ableton or audio.

[evilmarshmallow]

Anyone else getting dodgy upgrade pricing from Ableton?

My upgrade offer from Std->Suite = AUD$359/$449 pre-discount

Prices on Ableton Shop are Std=AUD$479/599 pre-discount and Suite=AUD$799/999 pre-discount.

So, my upgrade is $49 MORE! than retail price difference between Std & Suite. This does seem over-priced

Not defending it nor do I have any insider knowledge about Ableton marketing but just pointing out that is typical.
Most often bundle pricing is cheaper than upgrading to a bundle or cheaper than buying items from the bundle separately. The idea is to entice people to pay more now. It’s not limited to Ableton or audio.

Yeah... I checked upgrade pricing on third party retailers and it seems to be the case that you pay more for buying Standard then upgrading to Suite compared with buying Suite outright.

I kinda understand what you're saying, but I think it's lousy business practice and not all DAW manufacturers do this.

eg Cubase has the following price structure going from budget versions to Pro (prices in $AUD):
Cubase Pro = $849 retail
Cubase Elements = $149, upgrade from Elements -> Pro = $673; Total price = $149+$673 = $822
Cubase Artist = $449, upgrade from Artist -> Pro = $373; Total Price = $449+373 = $822

So I actually SAVE money upgrading to Cubase Pro. Reason has a similar upgrade path where you dont lose money if you've bought Essentials and then upgrade to Full.

Ableton's upgrade pricing just seems greedy and insulting. They don't appear to value existing customers, so have lost an upgrade customer here...SAD!