Reason 3.0 announced

[shamann]

Again, no, it's not genius. Other programs already have this sort of funtionality.

well.. you don't have it in Reason now, do you. whether it's a new idea or not, it doesn't make it less useful

I think that was zircon's point. It's useful, probably nice to have in Reason, but not genius.

I mean, my Access Virus' Oscillators and Filters sounds ALOT better than Reason's as well as many of the VST's out there.

Well, since we're beaking out other traditional firestarters... I've tried out a Virus in a shop (well 2, the red one and the indigo one, whatever they are, B&C?) Didn't sound awful, but I have to admit, I just wasn't impressed. The way some folk go on about it round here, I was expecting to fall over. Think I was more impressed with the Alesis Andromeda, even the Ion.

Now a Sherman Filter Bank on the other hand, holy moses!

[Markleford]

But did you really ever layer 5 synths at one time in 2.5 or before?

Yes! I always use my MFX plugins to layer and transpose Reason synths from SONAR, or to even do round-robin selection of them within a track.

Combinator will give me the ability to save these setups easily. So it's still very cool in my book.

Add in the report that its front panel is supposed to be skinnable (!), and it'll be quite a hoot if it pans out!

- m

[pitchdrifter]

oh actually it is genius. You can spout of about FL all day. In reason you can route cables the way you want, as well as have a practically unlimited amount of devices (again, wired in any way you desire). That makes quite a difference.

Maybe some of you just don't understand reason or never pressed TAB, but please refrain from sharing your totally uniformed brainfarts. If you don't have a clue what you're talking about, don't try to sell it as a fact.

[digitaldoom]

oh actually it is genius. You can spout of about FL all day. In reason you can route cables the way you want, as well as have a practically unlimited amount of devices (again, wired in any way you desire). That makes quite a difference.

Maybe some of you just don't understand reason or never pressed TAB, but please refrain from sharing your totally uniformed brainfarts. If you don't have a clue what you're talking about, don't try to sell it as a fact.

Well said...

[digitaldoom]

I mean, my Access Virus' Oscillators and Filters sounds ALOT better than Reason's as well as many of the VST's out there.

Well, since we're beaking out other traditional firestarters... I've tried out a Virus in a shop (well 2, the red one and the indigo one, whatever they are, B&C?) Didn't sound awful, but I have to admit, I just wasn't impressed. The way some folk go on about it round here, I was expecting to fall over. Think I was more impressed with the Alesis Andromeda, even the Ion.

Now a Sherman Filter Bank on the other hand, holy moses!

Well I think you got the point, which was there are many hardware synths out there that have better Oscillators and Filters than Reason or many other VST's. I've never heard the Andromeda, but I've read about how cool it sounds.

As far as the Sherman Filter bank... that is surely a great filter. Heck, I bet a Subtractor or Malstrom would sound great run through it.

[lucille]

More reason rant from xRAVENx with the usual rudeness. Its sad to see the Reason fanboys here,
although I do like to see Reason posts on kvr.
I mean some people are quite fluent in both Reason and FL and other softwares as well. There is analogous functionality in each. What the poster said about FL is more or less the case: you could argue combinator will go somewaht further than FL layers. Some reason cv type integration is covered in FL, some isn't.

[pitchdrifter]

Lucille, I'm sorry it just wouldn't have worked between us. But I'm sure you'll find someone somewhere.

[shamann]

Well I think you got the point, which was there are many hardware synths out there that have better Oscillators and Filters than Reason or many other VST's. I've never heard the Andromeda, but I've read about how cool it sounds.

As far as the Sherman Filter bank... that is surely a great filter. Heck, I bet a Subtractor or Malstrom would sound great run through it.

Sorry, I did get the point, felt like it would be fun to go off topic.

The Andromeda was much more impressive than I expected, even looks impressive.

But back to Reason, I still don't think the Combinator concept is genius. Good, useful, about time - all true. But genius would require it to stand out ahead of other similar things. VAZ Modular can do most everything Reason does, even with the new version stuff, and a thousand fold more. So a stretch to say the Combinator is genius.

Cheers,
Steve

[drez]

Also, just layering Subractors and Malstroms still won't create a deep sound. If you're someone who has tinkered with Reaktor, you'll find that you can stack tons of oscillators on one another or run them through 5 filters and 8 envelopes, or whatever, but it doesn't make a difference. Synths like impOSCar, CS-80V, and Pro-53 sound fantastic because of the way their basic components (eg. filters + oscillators) are programmed. It's not because they just have 'more parts' (and they don't usually have many parts). You can combine Subtractors and Malstroms all you want, and you'll create some interesting sounds, but don't expect to hear anything truly unique like the sound of the impOSCar, for instance.

Personally, I think the Filter on the Malstrom is fantastic! It sounds awesome to my ears. I NEVER use the filter on the Subtractor, I run it through the Malstroms filter. That's what the TAB key is for. Now with the combinator, it will be even easier to use the Malstroms filter with the subtractor.

Clearly, layering patches is one of the things that makes a workstation hardware synth sound so "monster"

Definitely not true. The Roland V-Synth, for instance, has a measly 2 oscillators. Yet because of its unique, proprietary (and customizable) routing structure and filter/COSM modules, it sounds nothing like any synth I've heard, digital or otherwise. I believe some workstations by Korg now include some analog architecture to improve the sound, too.

Reason too has a unique, proprietary and customizable routing structure. Its called "add some spiders and hit the TAB key". You can route stuff all over the freakin place! That's what makes it 'modular'. And now with the combinator, you can do it once, map your controllers to the 'master' controllers on the combinator and make complete 'synths' in a preset recallable at any time.

You don't just load 5 subtractors and play them at the same time...you 'route' them through various effects and the excellent Malstrom Filters and you start really making some amazing sounds.

Heck, if you want those really sweet osc sounds that are sampled from vintage gear, go get thr proton refill for the NNXT and start routing THAT through the malstrom!

The subtractor isn't the only module in the bag. The NNXT is an awesome sampler and people have made some incredible "basic tool" sound sets that you can do lots to. Check out the Orange2 refill!

[drez]

More reason rant from xRAVENx with the usual rudeness. Its sad to see the Reason fanboys here,
although I do like to see Reason posts on kvr.
I mean some people are quite fluent in both Reason and FL and other softwares as well. There is analogous functionality in each. What the poster said about FL is more or less the case: you could argue combinator will go somewaht further than FL layers. Some reason cv type integration is covered in FL, some isn't.

Yes, but based on what was said, it doesn't appear that the user was using Reason with other than basic routing. They can be the most advanced FL user in the world, but that doesn't make them an advanced Reason user.

Raven looked like he was pointing that out.

I'd agree, unless you flip the rack around and start routing, you won't get the most amazing sound out of reason.

Also, if you have 10 amazing and fat sounds running at once, you will have some pretty muddy music. I think reason can do both and both very well. You just have to experiment.

[spaceman]

But back to Reason, I still don't think the Combinator concept is genius. Good, useful, about time - all true. But genius would require it to stand out ahead of other similar things. VAZ Modular can do most everything Reason does, even with the new version stuff, and a thousand fold more. So a stretch to say the Combinator is genius.

so.. have you tried it then?

[shamann]

so.. have you tried it then?

Well, no, so point taken.

But it doesn't take a stretch of the imagination to figure out what it does. I think it looks like a very good thing for Reason users, but still I don't see anything from the info we have that suggests genius.

[lucille]

have I tried the combinator? no.

What part of the product description on the Reason is so confusing that you would actually have to use the product to figure out what it does. When they
announced root pitch detection in the nnxt--did you have to try it to understand it? It perfectly clear what the combinator does and doesn't do.

[drez]

have I tried the combinator? no.

What part of the product description on the Reason is so confusing that you would actually have to use the product to figure out what it does. When they
announced root pitch detection in the nnxt--did you have to try it to understand it? It perfectly clear what the combinator does and doesn't do.

What part is confusing?

[digitaldoom]

We just can't wait to get our fingers on this can we. As much as people here are trashing Reason, I bet everyone on this thread would love to load up all these new features to see what's really going on.

I'm sure these features will be incredibly fun to use and will enhance Reason's functionality.

I love the routing in Reason. I haven't used anything that could compare. I almost went and bought a Nord G2 just to have another cool modular setup (but I ran outa $$$).

I just can't wait to get my fingers on the new Reason functionality....