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[mman]

http://www.cmusicforum.com/dimitar/Dimi ... _fruit.mp3

Dimi, this is just beautiful man. At first it reminded me of the Vladko Stefanovski stuff. You probably know him, right?...

[dimitar]

http://www.cmusicforum.com/dimitar/Dimi ... _fruit.mp3

Dimi, this is just beautiful man. At first it reminded me of the Vladko Stefanovski stuff. You probably know him, right?...

yeah I know him


edit:
100% not edited CARVIN 2x12 Legacy sound
with SM57 mic on right speaker
+ VST Voxengo Analog Delay

[Midiworks]

http://www.soundspectral.com/Demos/Dimi ... WkrWah.mp3

Nice, even if I'm only listening through headphones and the crappy laptop soundcard (in a hotel room in Zürich, to be exact).
But I was thinking more along the funky lines...

Yes, it took a while to get the cry baby right.
But in the end it was identical.

Somebody ask:"what controls will it have ?"
The same as the real one.

[Vervil]

realy bad sound http://www.cmusicforum.com/dimitar/CarvinDIMI2.mp3

Is this sound Fritzman was talking about? Actually, no offense I don't like it too It sounds roomy and grainy. As sound is effected, it is hard to differentiate artificial reverb and delay from original sound, but it seems on this clip that Mic has picked up some not-so desirable reflections from the room, that amp was maybe at low level while recording, and sound is a bit harsh in unpleasant way. It can work when you playing lead, but at few moments when you hit chord, it sounds like a solid state distortion or something. Maybe it is just me, I like leads to be very rich in middles, to have "creamy" defined sound.

or here
http://www.cmusicforum.com/dimitar/Dimi ... _fruit.mp3

This one works Nice in Mix, and I like it more, but it sounds quite differently. Very nice playing, although (hope you don't mind me for saying this pal) I still think that you will show your full capacity and potential as a player and author when you get rid of that Vai/Malmsteen influence, I think having one piece of each of them is enough, maybe even too much for this one planet. Give us more of that signature and unique Albanov sound, I know you have it

[Midiworks]

realy bad sound http://www.cmusicforum.com/dimitar/CarvinDIMI2.mp3

Is this sound Fritzman was talking about?

No, this:

Please listen to the Carvin model. (1mb)
http://www.sendspace.com/file/csu61d
Sorry for SendSpace...

First you can hear Dimitar playing
his Carvin Legacy, than the new model.
30 seconds each, so you can really compare.

EDIT: EQ was set to zero.

This file is not meant to sound great,
but authentic.

We have enough amp sims, that do all exept simulating amps.

[Melodioso]

Yes, it took a while to get the cry baby right.
But in the end it was identical.

Somebody ask:"what controls will it have ?"
The same as the real one.

Well, which model is the "real one" then?

- ZW-45? (Wylde model)
- GCB-95F? (classic one)
- DB-01? (dimebag model)
- 535Q?
- DCR-2SR? (rack module)

I tried some of the pedal listed here, and they all sounded different. But I think it's nice to have access to the parameters that control the frequency and the sweep range of the wah (some of these pedals have them, the classic one doesn't). Different styles of music call for different types of wah sound.

I like the sound of the wah in the clip you posted, but a more agressive sound (wider range) would be great as well...

Just my 2 cents

[Midiworks]

Well, which model is the "real one" then?

[Killvehicle]

Its about authensity, about the tube sound simulation
and about the way each note reacts in nearly the same way as the real amp,
this is what you can hear very well in this mp3.

Any other VST or harware amp sim,
ever came so close to a tube sound before ?

I don't think so.

It's not authentic. What's obvious is, is that Dimi doesn't know how to mic his amp to make it sound good. That's all. Sorry sir but this is not convincing. Yes, it's very close but it's through a thick curtain and around the corner.

YOUr a friggin ass Fritz.

Huh, really? Care to explain why you think so? Oh wait: Just keep that for yourself, please.

All you talk about and post is your gay ass POD,

Eh, no. From where did you get this stupid idea? Read a little further and kill that stoopit prejudice with some more information ...

and say "what amp is this" HOw bout its a POD, and maybe you have no idea how to mic an amp.

OK man, let's get this out of the way: I don't remember that I ever posted an example in this thread that was made with a POD. (Sorry if I might be wrong, this thread runs for a few weeks already.)
And yes, I have quite a few ideas about how to mic an amp.
I just don't bother to do that privately nowadays. I have a 7 week old baby who doesn't like loud stuff like 100 watt tube guitar amps. So I won't do it here in the near future.

LEt me ask have you played the LEgacy before??

No. I heard the amp more than once to have an idea about it.

My guess is no,

As I said, you're right about that.

YOu shrugged when MW put up my 5150 combo,

Simple: Because I don't like the sound I heard from that mp3. What's your problem with that? I don't like the sound of the 5150 combo compared to the 5150 head through a 1960 Marshall cab. Your taste seems to be different. No prob for me. Enjoy your amp.
And before you ask again: I played both the head and the combo to be "qualified" to dislike the amp you like.

Again those are no eq's and you ask whats the point? Then your an idiot, Becasue the point is = IT is up to you to decide how to compress, eq or flat out destroy the sound, if it is an emulation of an amp model, it should sound like THE AMP!!

Well sir, it does not sound "like the amp". Rene said it's without any eq. How did Dimi do that? Modify his amp by taking out the eq? No, I don't think so. The eq had some setting and to my ears a poor setting plus it was poorly recorded. But hey, as you already found out we're talking about taste things here.
BTW, why did your mp3 have that much highs? Because you like it like that. Ever thought about that? Try that sound with such a "just the amp" setting and you'll agree.

NOt how good the amp could sound when a pro engineer produces the shit out of it.

Yes, you're right with this one. But these are DEMOS!!! They should be sounding good. Or not? Man, this is not a preset on a plugin that I would have to explain to you like e.g. "OK, it has no big lo end because you don't need it anyway when you add your bass and kick in your track so it will work fine in the mix. And we cut aaaaaaaall the highs for you so that it doesn't interfere with your singer, the overheads and the synths." but this here is a "Wow, this amp sounds cool!" situation. Got it?
Sure, I can look beyond that and I was really nitpicky about it and should have kept my mouth. Sorry that I brought you so much trouble with all this.

I guess all those Drum samplers that give all the raw sounds and lets US decide what sound we wish to make by EQ and compression are worthless too..

Well, if they are worthless to you: fine with me. I like it to process drum samples the way I want them to sound. Raw drum samples are cool for that.

Maybe get some recording technique and not expect to be handed everything on a silver plate..

I'm not sure if I understand this one. I know how to eq and process my stuff to let it sound the way I want it. I like the sounds I make. Or to say it like this: "I got some recording technique."

NOt everyone wants a polished ass guitar tone,

Right, and obviously you have a different POV about polished *** sounds than me. Get over it.

then whats the point??

Yes, what's your point? That I don't like your mp3 that was posted? That I don't like that sound? Well, sorry for that. I won't change my taste for you.

We all have the exact same sound,.,now that is pointless!

Hm, I'm really glad I don't have your sound.


All the best, FRitz

Listen I aint going thru it like you , but it seemed you wanted to hear the sound all "polished" IF you are just talking about EQ on the amp itself, then I misunderstood, I personally don't see how any amp can be played without any eq. If it had no post production EQ, then I think that my response stands.

If it wasnt you with the POD then I am mistaken, but my point was that you are posting clips of POD not real amps, although I could be wrong it is an extremely long thread.

The fact that you don't like my combo is of no importance to me, believe me, MY point was that, THAT was the real amp without any production values, like the legacy, and you called the legacy a not convincing emulation, and shitty sound. Maybe the amp sucks like my 5150 combo, so what, it is what it sounds like right??

And of course Drum samplers with RAW samples are great, maybe you didn't catch the sarcasm..

And your dumb comments about not having my sound, you are ridiculous, It seems you want the sound polished already, which means when this thing gets released we all are using finished sounds, which equals us all having the same sound, get it? JUst like drum samples, we should do the final tweaking

[championrabbit]

We have enough amp sims, that do all exept simulating amps.

Woah there.

You accuse other amp sims of 'not simulating amps' when your amp 'simulation' is based on (often) badly recorded MP3s?!?

I'd be right in saying that you haven't had access to ONE SINGLE AMP that you are claiming to be 'simulating', right?

You realise that your comment is utterly laughable, no?

[Vervil]

realy bad sound http://www.cmusicforum.com/dimitar/CarvinDIMI2.mp3

Is this sound Fritzman was talking about?

No, this:

Please listen to the Carvin model. (1mb)
http://www.sendspace.com/file/csu61d
Sorry for SendSpace...

First you can hear Dimitar playing
his Carvin Legacy, than the new model.
30 seconds each, so you can really compare.

EDIT: EQ was set to zero.

This file is not meant to sound great,
but authentic.

We have enough amp sims, that do all exept simulating amps.

Ough... Sorry, but I have to criticize here. There is no such a thing as "authentic", because no matter how amp sounds on its own, next thing in chain that alters the sound is mic and mic preamp. One and the same amp setting can sound way much different, just by moving mic here or there a bit, or changing the angle of mic for a few degrees. If amp sounds good in room, and it sounds dull and a bit fizzy like here, it is not authentic, it is not so well recorded.
Sound on the first part of clip is simply not right and usable, and I agree on this with Fritz. It is truth that MAYBE in some situations you could use this kind of sound for something, but in this case, when it has to represents an amp on its usual hi gain settings, it is simply not good. So I can't comment on your clip because it is recreation of an dull sounding clip. I can only notice that it has bit more highs, but they sound unnatural like when someone is trying to add something with EQ that wasn't there at the first place
As far as I know, RAW clip should contain all freqs, bit untamed, so you can EQ it from there to make it work in mix with other instruments. If sound lacks certain freq bends, there is no way to add it later and make it sound good.

Btw, midiworks, I have sent you a PM recently, did you received it?

[AndrewSimon]

We have enough amp sims, that do all exept simulating amps.

Woah there.

You accuse other amp sims of 'not simulating amps' when your amp 'simulation' is based on (often) badly recorded MP3s?!?

I'd be right in saying that you haven't had access to ONE SINGLE AMP that you are claiming to be 'simulating', right?

You realise that your comment is utterly laughable, no?

Yeah but he does it with style, so we forgive him.

Anyway, there is no need to jump every time Midiworks "promotes" his creation.
Ultimately the sound on the final product will be the deciding factor.
Besides humans are not as great as we tend to think.
Most discoveries in the past 2 centuries were "stumbled" upon by mistake as oppose to reached through some meticulous planning.

Maybe Midiworks is onto something, I don't know how he is doing it but it sounds promising.

[fritzman]

The fact that you don't like my combo is of no importance to me, believe me, MY point was that, THAT was the real amp without any production values, like the legacy, and you called the legacy a not convincing emulation, and shitty sound. Maybe the amp sucks like my 5150 combo, so what, it is what it sounds like right??

Hm,

you didn't read very well so you simply misunderstood me. But maybe you even wanted that and needed to piss on somebody with some lies you're putting in somebodies elses mouth. Dunno. Really strange.
My last attempt to try to help you to understand this: No, this particular mp3 I was commenting on doesn't sound like the Carvin Legacy combo. It does sound like a poor recording of that amp.

And of course Drum samplers with RAW samples are great, maybe you didn't catch the sarcasm..

Maybe you should say goodbye to your misconception that you're the only one who is able to use subtle sarcasm?

And your dumb comments about not having my sound, you are ridiculous, It seems you want the sound polished already, which means when this thing gets released we all are using finished sounds, which equals us all having the same sound, get it? JUst like drum samples, we should do the final tweaking

You know what seems to me? That you love your dirty little prejudices and therefor you don't read carefully and therfor don't want to understand what some people say. I already posted my opinions about these things extensively on KvR in various threads so no need here for me to paraphraze myself.


Have a nice day, FRitz

[cheul]

It's funny how a few months back people reached the conclusion that Rene should concentrate on making the best out-of-the-box sounding plug-in, not bothering on trying to replicate real models (which would require you to tweak a lot to have a good sound)
i.e.: -> the whole "take advantage of the digital domain, and have it sound great from the get-go" debate (note : I was in favor of that, so I'm not being sarcastic).

Now that Rene wants to make the point that his distortion engine is versatile (maybe the idea to ask for amp names wasn't that great, asking only audio clips to describe the top 5 tones would have been better, I guess you've been seduced by the marketing aspect here, Rene), some people blame him for not actually owning those particular amps, and that he won't be able to accurately model those. And bam ! we're back where it began : the old NI, IKMultimedia way of thinking... isn't breaking the mould the very purpose of Rene's work ?

[Melodioso]

I'd be right in saying that you haven't had access to ONE SINGLE AMP that you are claiming to be 'simulating', right?

You realise that your comment is utterly laughable, no?

Well, on the other hand, I guess that NI and IK had access to all and every amps they wanted to emulate. Yet, GR2 and AT2 (based on the GR2 demo and on the listenings of the AT2 demos), to my ears, do not sound convincing. Don't get me wrong, GR2 sounds good for what it is: a "toy" to use in a home studio, great to practice at low volume or with headphones. But nobody serious will ever record a commercial album, or play live gigs with it (apart for special FX sounds maybe?). Maybe AT2 will be different, maybe not...

And here we have a guy who is taking another path to the problem. I don't know what he's doing, but some of the mp3 he posted sounded quite good to me (the wah mp3 for example). So I don't care wether or not he had stacks of real amps in front of him when he is coding his sim, all that matters is the final sound, no?

I didn't have a chance to listen to the Legacy mp3 demo yet, and I want to hear it through my studio speakers (Mackie HR 824) to have an opinion. When I listened to the 5150 demo on my laptop speakers it sounded good I thought... until I put it on my studio speakers... was disappointed.

BTW, on what speakers are you working on, MW? This is such a crucial part of the work chain, I hope you have decent ones...

[championrabbit]

And bam ! we're back where it began : the old NI, IKMultimedia way of thinking... isn't breaking the mould the very purpose of Rene's work ?

Well.

There are plenty of mould-breaking plugs around guitar-wise already. If you forget about using plugs that are designed for guitar, then you can make truly original guitar sounds.

If we are talking about designing a plug for guitar, then there seems little commercial point in making one that doesn't sound like 'popular guitar sounds as heard on hit records', since that's what Joe Sixpack wants: to sound like his heroes.

In terms of Rene actually achieving this, I'd say there's little to worry about given his methodology, and thus (regardless of what it says on the tin) it's not going to sound like a bunch of classic amps...