Is Tracktion now an orphan?

[Mozzer]

Don't want to rain on anyone's parade but if Mackie can kill something like Gigasampler (with all that heavyweight Hollywood support and the industry making libraries for it) then I'd guess that Tracktion will be WAY lower in their priority list

[Gabriel_S]

i have a feeling there working on 4 and will force mac users to shell out for a working version of a broken product.

After this debacle there is absolutely no way in hell I would get ANY Traction DAW again. Mackie has lost all credibility with me in this department. For me to even consider an upgrade it would have to be light years ahead of ANYTHING that's currently out and I would wait many many months before even considering it again.

I want to remind Everyone here. I LOVED T3. All my projects to date were done with T3 (bugs, frustrations, loss of data and all). Switching hosts was nothing less than heartbreaking to me. But I simply don't trust this company anymore. I've seen their dedication to their user base right here at KVR and it is anything but impressive. Silence is not always golden guys.

Gabriel

[bk]

I've personally been steering people away from T3 and suggesting Reaper as a much better alternative.

That's odd. On my PC, Reaper is way more cpu consumptive than T3...

There is a simple fix for that. I experienced the exact same thing at 1st. A few minor adjustments suggested by the users and Justin and it works flawlessly now. Imagine that, the creator of Reaper actually participates in the forums. What a concept huh?

I'm in the middle of a recording session right now but I'll see if I can find that post with the solutions and either pm them to you or just post the link here

Gabriel

Ok here ya go

Originally Posted by norbury brook
Hi,

I had a similar experience as I have a 100 track test template I used to compare cubendo 4 with reaper.

There's a few threads around about this here's what justin said


Hmm I've done a lot of analysis, and have some modes where Synchronous mode can be used and be fast. But in the mean time, try this:

Go to preferences/buffering. Set everything to the defaults or so. Go to advanced.

For disk read mode, use "Asynchronous (unbuffered)".
For buffers, use 3.
For buffer size, use 262144.

Close the window, close preferences, quit reaper and restart.

You should now be able to stream a ridiculous number of tracks without any real issue. If your disk is slower I'd recommend setting prefs/buffering/source material buffer size to something higher, like 2000ms (the default is 600ms).

-Justin

Here is the original thread with even more help

http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=26677

Thanks, I'll give that a try...

[jas]

Mackie's priorities may be more in the interest of tying hardware and software.
For many years, their analogue mixers have been commonplace in the post-production community while always attached to DigiDesign's ProTools DAW's.
That said, one could easily argue the old saying, "Don't sell that cow just yet".
And so, their resources seem to lean toward that tried and true approach. Similarly, along the lines of the Onyx Series Firewire interface, here is what might be up their sleeves. (Really, this is just a guess. But it is published on the net.):

http://www.patentgenius.com/patent/7421084.html

[Lunch Money]

Don't want to rain on anyone's parade but if Mackie can kill something like Gigasampler (with all that heavyweight Hollywood support and the industry making libraries for it) then I'd guess that Tracktion will be WAY lower in their priority list

I don't get it. Isn't (wasn't) Giga a Tascam thing? Is Tascam a part of Loud Technologies and I didn't notice?

[zeoy]

one thing that scared me with Reaper was when I saw all my plugins as a raw list. I have them organized in folders and subfolders and Tracktion respects this hierarchy. Is it possible to have something similar in Reaper? (I admit I haven't tried to see if there's a solution to this 'issue')

you can make custom folders in Reaper:

http://www.cockos.com/wiki/index.php/Tu ... k_FX_Chain

c

thanx Chris. very useful

[PaulG]

I guess I must be missing something here...

From the sentiment and (ill?)logic here, it would seem that if Mackie dropped Tracktion then all of a sudden Tracktion on my PC would stop working. Kind of like if I bought a hammer and then the hammer manufacturer went out of business, my hammer would no longer work. I'll need to make DAMN sure that no hammer I buy will EVER be from a company that will at LEAST be around for the next 10,000 frickin' years or man, will I be in trouble!

I don't know, maybe I'm either stupid or lucky (or both) - I've never had ANY version of Tracktion crash, it's the only host that I actually DO make music with, and I have or had legal licenses of Cubase, Sonar, Podium, and dare I friggin' say, even REAPER, but nothing done on any of them. (Someone said earlier - all of them production-oriented rather than creative-oriented.)

Gosh, I feel so unworthy of even BEING here among all of you that have had life changing (for the worse - not that Obama-type of change here, no sir!) problems and I whined like a baby over my biggest problem - the arrow draggable inputs were gone! I feel like I'm crying about a mosquito bit in a leper colony. "Poor friggin' me, oh - is that your finger that just fell off?"

I guess I just don't get why the possibility of T being an orphan meaning that you can't make music with it, or the fact that if it crashes your machine, look at the level of your tech ability and if you can't optimize your own PC grab something like CCleaner(.com) or some other tools to help. (Note - I take no responsibilities for you screwing things up even further by your own misuse of CCleaner of any other tool - you'll have to go to another leper colony for any such sympathy!)

[Spitfire31]

I guess I must be missing something here...
I guess I just don't get why the possibility of T being an orphan meaning that you can't make music with it, or the fact that if it crashes your machine, look at the level of your tech ability and if you can't optimize your own PC grab something like CCleaner(.com) or some other tools to help.)

Obviously, you're not running T3 on a Mac. If you did, I think your post would be rather different.

Because, the Mac version is buggy to the point of being counterproductive, especially if you want to use a number of your trusty plug-ins that run just fine in Live, for instance.

So, we Mac Tracktion 3 users have good reason to feel worried, if the long Mackie silence means that Tracktion isn't at the very least going to be bug-fixed enough so that glitches and freezes and crashes don't break the creative flow.

/Joey

[hwhalen]

Hi I'm Steve and I'm a MAC. Every $#%@$#@% program ALWAYS works flawlessly on ME except Tracktion 3.

Hi I'm Bill and I'm a PC. Tracktion 3 is a WONDERFUL audio product that works flawlessly on ME BUT NOT ON MAC.

OMFG....

After reading this thread it seems to be true.

An app that f%$&s up on MAC.

I didn't think such a thing existed?

[bk]

Kind of like if I bought a hammer and then the hammer manufacturer went out of business, my hammer would no longer work. I'll need to make DAMN sure that no hammer I buy will EVER be from a company that will at LEAST be around for the next 10,000 frickin' years or man, will I be in trouble!

Here's the problem with your analogy: The hammer will remain useful as long as the shape of your hand remains generally the same, and as long as the nails you use with it don't get redesigned. Neither is very likely to happen.

We all know that the machines(hand)and software(nails) we use are constantly changing, and that tweaks are necessary to any program from time to time, to keep things working properly. It looks like this may not happen anymore with T3.

I'm a PC user and have no big complaints, but Windows 7 is just around the corner, the vst spec will be updated, I might buy a different soundcard...
Any of these things could cause T3 to shit itself and refuse to run.

As far as the Mac situation; They paid a couple hundred bucks for a program that won't really run on their systems. I'd be pissed, too.

I'm not pissed. Just a little annoyed.

[bk]

Mackie's priorities may be more in the interest of tying hardware and software.
For many years, their analogue mixers have been commonplace in the post-production community while always attached to DigiDesign's ProTools DAW's.
That said, one could easily argue the old saying, "Don't sell that cow just yet".
And so, their resources seem to lean toward that tried and true approach. Similarly, along the lines of the Onyx Series Firewire interface, here is what might be up their sleeves. (Really, this is just a guess. But it is published on the net.):

http://www.patentgenius.com/patent/7421084.html

That most likely is the Onyx firewire interface. The patent was applied for in 2006.

Interesting to see Beno's name (Ben Olswang) on the patent for this.

[MasonAtom]

I guess I must be missing something here...
I guess I just don't get why the possibility of T being an orphan meaning that you can't make music with it, or the fact that if it crashes your machine, look at the level of your tech ability and if you can't optimize your own PC grab something like CCleaner(.com) or some other tools to help.)

Obviously, you're not running T3 on a Mac. If you did, I think your post would be rather different.

Because, the Mac version is buggy to the point of being counterproductive, especially if you want to use a number of your trusty plug-ins that run just fine in Live, for instance.

So, we Mac Tracktion 3 users have good reason to feel worried, if the long Mackie silence means that Tracktion isn't at the very least going to be bug-fixed enough so that glitches and freezes and crashes don't break the creative flow.

/Joey

Well, I use T3 on a Dual G5 and as long as I stay away from a few offending plug-ins it works flawlessly. I have about 10 different projects ongoing and I haven't experienced any dropouts, missing files, or crashes.

VSTs that don't work on my system:
*previous version of about half of my Waves plug-ins (Multi-Tap delay, Rennaisance Axx, Trueverb ~50% of the time)
*Antares "Tube"
*Nomad Factory "Sweeper"

Everything else that I use works fine and I am lucky enough to have a wide enough array of plug-ins that I can work around these issues.

That said... I am in the process of switching over to Digital Performer 6 largely because of T3 poor efficiency compared to the current industry standards. I'll continue to use T3 for tracking audio but mixing and mastering will be done in DP.

Mason

[Gabriel_S]

I guess I must be missing something here...

From the sentiment and (ill?)logic here, it would seem that if Mackie dropped Tracktion then all of a sudden Tracktion on my PC would stop working. Kind of like if I bought a hammer and then the hammer manufacturer went out of business, my hammer would no longer work. I'll need to make DAMN sure that no hammer I buy will EVER be from a company that will at LEAST be around for the next 10,000 frickin' years or man, will I be in trouble!

I guess I just don't get why the possibility of T being an orphan meaning that you can't make music with it, or the fact that if it crashes your machine, look at the level of your tech ability and if you can't optimize your own PC grab something like CCleaner(.com) or some other tools to help. (Note - I take no responsibilities for you screwing things up even further by your own misuse of CCleaner of any other tool - you'll have to go to another leper colony for any such sympathy!)

You DON'T get it Paul !!!! Imagine buying a 300buck hammer and the handle broke after a couple of days. No worries, I'll just go back to the store and replace it. This time you get a better so to speak hammer but the handle is warped. Well hell, I'll just go back to the store and replace it again. You get a new hammer that's guaranteed not to break and and guess what. Within a week you find a crack in the handle. No biggy, I'll just get a replacement. You go back to the store and find out "hey, that company no longer makes hammers, and the store won't refund me. So now I'm out 300 bucks and stuck with a BROKEN hammer !!!!" Time to rethink your analogy?

This my friend is the reality of the situation. And yes My comp is completely optimized for recording (with CCleaner etc installed, defrafg daily etc etc), so please don't go undermining us. Facts are facts, Traction is for the most part a broken product even for most PC users, let alone a completely unworkable product for the Mac users that have gotten completely ripped off by this company.

You really need to rethink your analogy Paul. But like I've said before, if you're happy with it, that's all that counts, more power to you, but please don't go blowing your high horn and downplaying the users that can't get this flippin product into a workable/functional state.

BTW, I'd be curious to hear some of your stuff and also how many tracks you are using on an average per song ????

[chico.co.uk]

Jesus Christ.

Will you give over with the painfully contrived analogies please?

I basically agree with the point you're labouring to death (13 pages so far, but yeah, you've something new to say, I'm sure you have) but for f**k's sake if you're going to bother trying to dress it up, either do it well or don't bother. I mean, seriously, what is this all about?

Here's the problem with your analogy: The hammer will remain useful as long as the shape of your hand remains generally the same, and as long as the nails you use with it don't get redesigned. Neither is very likely to happen.

So let's get this straight. The shape of my hand is not going to remain generally the same, and nail's are going to be redesigned. Nails. Are going to be redesigned. Right. Except ... no, not really. The shape of my hand, and I'd imagine every other f**king person's hand DOES stay generally the same, unless you put it through a mincer, and no'one has redesigned nails ever. Ever. EVER. Not once. Nails are f**king nails. They have a pointy bit and a bit you hit with a hammer. I wake up, my hands are the same shape as I went to bed. I don't wake up and they look like funnels or have hoofs. For f**k's sake. What are you on about?

You DON'T get it Paul !!!! Imagine buying a 300buck hammer and the handle broke after a couple of days. No worries, I'll just go back to the store and replace it. This time you get a better so to speak hammer but the handle is warped. Well hell, I'll just go back to the store and replace it again. You get a new hammer that's guaranteed not to break and and guess what. Within a week you find a crack in the handle. No biggy, I'll just get a replacement. You go back to the store and find out "hey, that company no longer makes hammers, and the store won't refund me. So now I'm out 300 bucks and stuck with a BROKEN hammer !!!!" Time to rethink your analogy?

Time to rethink HIS analogy? Really? Did you bother thinking about yours even once, never mind rethinking it?

In your analogy the starting point is you buy a 300 dollar hammer. A 300 dollar hammer. You bought a hammer WHICH COST 300 DOLLARS. Right. So you paid approximately 100 times the going rate for a hammer. Let's say we let you off with that. Maybe it's the first time you've ever bought a hammer, and you don't know how much they cost. Then it breaks. And you go back to the shop and get another one. But even though you're replacing one that's f**ked, you don't realise the replacement you've picked up has a warped handle. You just don't notice it. You pick it up and go, yep, this looks great. No problems with this as a replacement. It's got a hammery bit on the end, and a handle I can hold. Nice big handle. Can't see any reason not to get this. Nothing the matter with THIS hammer. I might have trouble holding it as my hands have turned into hoofs, and nails are only available in 18 metre long cubes, but I'll give it a shot. It could happen. Maybe you got distracted by shiny paper or the sound of footsteps.

Then for some unfathomable reason, at some future point, you notice. So you go back and get one that's guanranteed not to break ... guaranteed not to break? A hammer? Where did you buy that then? The shop which guarantees things don't break? ToysRDon'tEverBreak?

To be honest I can't be f**king arsed continuing. These aren't analogies people. They're just gibbering bollocks.

I agree with the point you're failing to make, but please don't torture us with this convoluted shite any longer. Torture Mackie with it instead.

[grymmjack]

Hi I'm Steve and I'm a MAC. Every $#%@$#@% program ALWAYS works flawlessly on ME except Tracktion 3.

Hi I'm Bill and I'm a PC. Tracktion 3 is a WONDERFUL audio product that works flawlessly on ME BUT NOT ON MAC.

OMFG....

After reading this thread it seems to be true.

An app that f%$&s up on MAC.

I didn't think such a thing existed?

mac has horrible issues with flash player as well

actually, there are oodles of mac issues - even virii

not starting a platform war, but mac has just as many issues as pc. apples marketing is king though.

anyway, i haven't used t3 in many moons now - mainly because i haven't been doing any audio recording which is what t3 was really good at. but not because i think tracktion is bad.