Reason Rack extension

[myrna]

I don't understand why people feel annoyed about someone's opinion. Very strange. When i read offensive posts or rude people, i simply mute them. IMO Reason is much more suitable for teenagers or very young musicians. Where do you see "the complaining" in such an opinion?! Is it something "offensive"?! Reason has a "teenager" halo, logic is much more for mature musicians in my opinion. Even traktor dj is more for teenagers than for adults (it is only my opinion). Some of you seem too influenced by my thoughts, and become angry, sad, depressed... and tend to justify their choices. Thanks for the importance, for what it's worth. I don't mind if you are 40 and use reason, you don't have to justify. It is "only" a music forum, and we are talking about commercial products, after all.

(oops, i've almost forgotten: )

[sellyoursoul]

I don't understand why people feel annoyed about someone's opinion. Very strange. When i read offensive posts or rude people, i simply mute them. IMO Reason is much more suitable for teenagers or very young musicians. Where do you see "the complaining" in such an opinion?! Is it something "offensive"?! Reason has a "teenager" halo, logic is much more for mature musicians in my opinion. Even traktor dj is more for teenagers than for adults (it is only my opinion). Some of you seem too influenced by my thoughts, and become angry, sad, depressed... and tend to justify their choices. Thanks for the importance, for what it's worth. I don't mind if you are 40 and use reason, you don't have to justify. It is "only" a music forum, and we are talking about commercial products, after all.

(oops, i've almost forgotten: )

I wouldn't say that Reason is only for young musicians. Regardless of my criticisms, I like Reason, when it can do what I want to do. But, when it can't, using workarounds is just too clunky for comfort. When Props began hinting about plugins in Reason, I was thinking that finally, no more clunky Rewire to try and get some basic things done. But that wasn't the case at all. It seems to me that they were more interested in trying to create a new source of income rather than opening the software just enough to enable the use of existing tools for filling in the missing functionality, as well as some variety in sound devices. Not to mention the shady marketing - RE is revolutionary, no undo for VST's, VST's are difficult to install, etc. And who started this rumor that Reason is the best selling daw just behind Protools? Did that one come from Props? I'm seeing more marketing bs than improvement to the software with the introduction of RE. Someone on KVR said to buy software for what it is now, not for what it might be. Ain't that the truth.

[angelremington]

I don't understand why people feel annoyed about someone's opinion. Very strange. When i read offensive posts or rude people, i simply mute them. IMO Reason is much more suitable for teenagers or very young musicians. Where do you see "the complaining" in such an opinion?! Is it something "offensive"?! Reason has a "teenager" halo, logic is much more for mature musicians in my opinion. Even traktor dj is more for teenagers than for adults (it is only my opinion). Some of you seem too influenced by my thoughts, and become angry, sad, depressed... and tend to justify their choices. Thanks for the importance, for what it's worth. I don't mind if you are 40 and use reason, you don't have to justify. It is "only" a music forum, and we are talking about commercial products, after all.

(oops, i've almost forgotten: )

I wouldn't say that Reason is only for young musicians. Regardless of my criticisms, I like Reason, when it can do what I want to do. But, when it can't, using workarounds is just too clunky for comfort. When Props began hinting about plugins in Reason, I was thinking that finally, no more clunky Rewire to try and get some basic things done. But that wasn't the case at all. It seems to me that they were more interested in trying to create a new source of income rather than opening the software just enough to enable the use of existing tools for filling in the missing functionality, as well as some variety in sound devices. Not to mention the shady marketing - RE is revolutionary, no undo for VST's, VST's are difficult to install, etc. And who started this rumor that Reason is the best selling daw just behind Protools? Did that one come from Props? I'm seeing more marketing bs than improvement to the software with the introduction of RE. Someone on KVR said to buy software for what it is now, not for what it might be. Ain't that the truth.

+1 on that I am 44 and use reason, and that is all i have been using for past few years since decided to have a new hobby - make some music.

I still like Reason, however I wasn't too thrilled with all the big announcements and all the BS and false advertising and putting sh!ts on other DAW's and VST's etc. (I guess maybe my expectations were too high).

Yes, I started using other software and plugins now (VST), and I love it so far, so much choice and freedom, freeware too and second hand purchase, that is my choice, I mean why should I spend more money on Reason / RE and still being limited and someone else decide what i can have and what not and when? And not able to use all the stuff I would like? I still use Reason's sequencer for composing and programming as that is my favorite part of it, and I am so used to it.

It seems some of the Propellerhead's flag-wavers have a problem with choice and opinions of others that don't agree with them or criticize reason or RE and get so defensive and it is almost like a religion both here and @ Props forum... they just want praise and sucking up from everybody, well they are entitled to their opinion and I and everyone else entitled to ours. I guess there's instances from the opposite side as well, like the guy (on top of the page)that got banned that go out of the way to keep going on and on and on.

RE are good and a blessing for some and not so good for others, as everybody has different needs and expectations in their work or hobby or fun etc...
For me it was a turning point and I decided to go for a lot better and bigger choice of RE instead... VST(i)...

thx and regards,

[IncarnateX]

RE are good and a blessing for some and not so good for others, as everybody has different needs and expectations in their work or hobby or fun etc

Yup. And what a big friggin surprise that is. Closest thing anyone will get to make sense in this lousy thread.

[IncarnateX]

There is no sense in spreading lies in order to defend it's status among other music making software. One of my favorites is that the SSL mixer sounds great.

So if someone says: "I think the SSL mixer in Reason sounds great", you would say: "No you don't you dirty liar"?

[deep'n'dark]

at last, IMO, reason is for people from 12 to 25-30 years. Once you are 30 you prefer to play on more professional software.

You can't say Reason ain't professional, especially now when RE's are part of the game. And I turn 32 next month, and i'm not gonna start using something else. Because Reason is a professional app for music making.

[sellyoursoul]

There is no sense in spreading lies in order to defend it's status among other music making software. One of my favorites is that the SSL mixer sounds great.

So if someone says: "I think the SSL mixer in Reason sounds great", you would say: "No you don't you dirty liar"?

Saying that it sounds great is like saying a cpu or a hard drive sounds great. If that person is new to daws, I would say that person doesn't know what he is talking about and is likely being influenced by the marketing and gui. If that person has been making music on a computer for a number of years and is jumping into a discussion such as this, I would call bs. And no, I wouldn't call the person a liar. Stooping to personal insults is weak. Check this thread for examples.

[IncarnateX]

Saying that it sounds great is like saying a cpu or a hard drive sounds great..

eh? The SSL section in the mixer is a SSL compressor bus emu and it does have a specific way of compressing the signal and thus it actually sounds like something. Simple as that. If they only mentioned the mixer without the ssl bus, you could go for the all-daw-sound-alike argument inclusive the nulling of audio, but that is not it mate and thus there are no lies involved here.

[Gamma-UT]

find a single post of mine where I am insulting anyone or being rude, throwing shit on something or trolling. You won't find any.

C'mon, make it challenge, Mr Sockpuppet:

That is the truth, a coward little racist anonymous moderator and a bunch of angloamerican racists...

[sellyoursoul]

Saying that it sounds great is like saying a cpu or a hard drive sounds great..

eh? The SSL section in the mixer is a SSL compressor bus emu and it does have a specific way of compressing the signal and thus it actually sounds like something. Simple as that. If they only mentioned the mixer without the ssl bus, you could go for the all-daw-sound-alike argument inclusive the nulling of audio, but that is not it mate and thus there are no lies involved here.

If a person says that the bus comp sounds good, that is an opinion, but the bus comp is not the mixer. If I were to say that the mixer in Reaper, Cubase, S1, etc. sounds great, I would be talking smack, bus comp or no bus comp, and it is the same for Reason. A gui that is made to look like a hardware mixer doesn't change that. There just happens to be a fixed-to-the-mixer bus comp on the master in Reason.

[IncarnateX]

If a person says that the bus comp sounds good, that is an opinion, but the bus comp is not the mixer. If I were to say that the mixer in Reaper, Cubase, S1, etc. sounds great, I would be talking smack, bus comp or no bus comp, and it is the same for Reason. A gui that is made to look like a hardware mixer doesn't change that. There just happens to be a fixed-to-the-mixer bus comp on the master in Reason.

What a strawman. When people say the "ssl mixer" and not just "the mixer" they obviously mean the ssl compressor in the mixer and word twisting this fact out of proportion so it looks like they only mean the mixer is not going to confirm any arguments that Reason users lie about the mixer.

[sellyoursoul]

If a person says that the bus comp sounds good, that is an opinion, but the bus comp is not the mixer. If I were to say that the mixer in Reaper, Cubase, S1, etc. sounds great, I would be talking smack, bus comp or no bus comp, and it is the same for Reason. A gui that is made to look like a hardware mixer doesn't change that. There just happens to be a fixed-to-the-mixer bus comp on the master in Reason.

What a strawman. When people say the "ssl mixer" and not just "the mixer" they obviously mean the ssl compressor in the mixer and word twisting this fact out of proportion so it looks like they only mean the mixer is not going to confirm any arguments that Reason users lie about the mixer.

By your definition, if I add Reacomp to the master in Reaper, and I say that the "Reaper mixer" sounds great, that isn't a misleading statement? If you think that it is misleading, what is the difference?

[IncarnateX]

If a person says that the bus comp sounds good, that is an opinion, but the bus comp is not the mixer. If I were to say that the mixer in Reaper, Cubase, S1, etc. sounds great, I would be talking smack, bus comp or no bus comp, and it is the same for Reason. A gui that is made to look like a hardware mixer doesn't change that. There just happens to be a fixed-to-the-mixer bus comp on the master in Reason.

What a strawman. When people say the "ssl mixer" and not just "the mixer" they obviously mean the ssl compressor in the mixer and word twisting this fact out of proportion so it looks like they only mean the mixer is not going to confirm any arguments that Reason users lie about the mixer.

By your definition, if I add Reacomp to the master in Reaper, and I say that the "Reaper mixer" sounds great, that isn't a misleading statement? If you think that it is misleading, what is the difference?

That is not the point at all. You said that people lie about Reason to defend it among other things about the mixer. Now you try to evade your error by turning the question into semantics and that won' t work with me. Case is that as far as whether poeple lie about Reason to defend it goes, you have nothing more substantial than what you can pull out of your arse. And that is pretty smelly. You should think twice another time when you feel the urge to claim people lie.

[Flandersh]

It seems to me that they were more interested in trying to create a new source of income rather than opening the software just enough to enable the use of existing tools for filling in the missing functionality, as well as some variety in sound devices. Not to mention the shady marketing - RE is revolutionary, no undo for VST's, VST's are difficult to install, etc. And who started this rumor that Reason is the best selling daw just behind Protools? Did that one come from Props? I'm seeing more marketing bs than improvement to the software with the introduction of RE. Someone on KVR said to buy software for what it is now, not for what it might be. Ain't that the truth.

Their marketing strategy has changed clearly over the years. All the years they have sent newsletters. In the older days they even had some xmas presents and so inside these too for existing users. The last years they have started sending out additional mails advertising their softwares, making one wonders if their economy isn't as good as it once was. In any case, I don't recognize the company as I once loved anymore, and that is unfortunately.

[Flandersh]

There is no sense in spreading lies in order to defend it's status among other music making software. One of my favorites is that the SSL mixer sounds great.

So if someone says: "I think the SSL mixer in Reason sounds great", you would say: "No you don't you dirty liar"?

It is a different between someone thinking; a subjective statement, and a company claiming something; a marketing statement.