New DIVA components

[Sendy]

I had a sounddesign session again last night with Diva, and I'd like to humbly suggest that among any new oscillator sections that may be added, something with two oscillators and both ringmodulation and sync available simultaneously would open up a lot of possibilities for me, as I tend to use these functions together a lot to create interesting waveforms. Also the ability to modulate the pitch of oscillator 2 independantly would be fantastic.

I know these features can be found in countless bread+butter VA's but I think Diva will do them a bit better

[chilly7]

Awrybody vouting for Oberheim must look at this monster.


I think awrybody agrees this is must be modeled in next Diva

I don't.

No Oberheim 8 voice is number one candidate which must be modeled in Diva.
Take a listen again


I know that awrybody agrees with me!

[markcohn]

I tried recreating some factory sounds off the Jupiter 8 patch sheets on the Arturia, and it's not even close. Not just a watered down emulation, but not even close. That was pretty disappointing after reading all the marketing fluff.

Come on... Did you really try? Because I had some good results. And others did too, when we were working on patches for DIVA launching.

Yes, I was talking about the Arturia...The envelopes are way off, and also the VCO modulator sliders. The other controls are also to a lesser extent. To make the oscillators modulate subtly and not sound like a fire engine siren, you have to move it very slightly and with the tiny slider, it's kind of a fail.

So far I've been getting very good results with Diva, with all the emulations. And fairly quickly. The large interface and smoothness of the controls is a pleasure.

I'd love to see any Oberheim...OSC and Filters. OB-X or OB8 is more than fine with me. I'd be curious how an 8 Voice emulation would run...would it need a 12-core running at 80%? lol

[fmr]

I tried recreating some factory sounds off the Jupiter 8 patch sheets on the Arturia, and it's not even close. Not just a watered down emulation, but not even close. That was pretty disappointing after reading all the marketing fluff.

Come on... Did you really try? Because I had some good results. And others did too, when we were working on patches for DIVA launching.

He was referring to the Arturia, not to DIVA?

So am I.

[fmr]

I tried recreating some factory sounds off the Jupiter 8 patch sheets on the Arturia, and it's not even close. Not just a watered down emulation, but not even close. That was pretty disappointing after reading all the marketing fluff.

Come on... Did you really try? Because I had some good results. And others did too, when we were working on patches for DIVA launching.

Yes, I was talking about the Arturia...The envelopes are way off, and also the VCO modulator sliders. The other controls are also to a lesser extent. To make the oscillators modulate subtly and not sound like a fire engine siren, you have to move it very slightly and with the tiny slider, it's kind of a fail.

So far I've been getting very good results with Diva, with all the emulations. And fairly quickly. The large interface and smoothness of the controls is a pleasure.

I'd love to see any Oberheim...OSC and Filters. OB-X or OB8 is more than fine with me. I'd be curious how an 8 Voice emulation would run...would it need a 12-core running at 80%? lol

So you are not complaining about the fathfulness of the recreation, but about the crankiness of the GUI. Then I agree with you. I asked them to create an "edit" panel (like Korg did on their instruments) where we only have the edit controls - bigger, more precise and more user friendly.

Regarding the Oberheim, let's expect about what Urs comes up with - since he told us, answering my old aspiration of a Matrix-12 recreation that "there are other instreuments more suited to that"

[electro]

Awrybody vouting for Oberheim must look at this monster.


I think awrybody agrees this is must be modeled in next Diva

I don't.

No Oberheim 8 voice is number one candidate which must be modeled in Diva.
Take a listen again


I know that awrybody agrees with me!

Have you tried the Arturia 8 Voice (SEM V)? Between that and OP-X, all your Oberheim needs may be already covered.

[chilly7]

I tried recreating some factory sounds off the Jupiter 8 patch sheets on the Arturia, and it's not even close. Not just a watered down emulation, but not even close. That was pretty disappointing after reading all the marketing fluff.

I'd love to see any Oberheim...OSC and Filters. OB-X or OB8 is more than fine with me. I'd be curious how an 8 Voice emulation would run...would it need a 12-core running at 80%? lol

I think they model each Oberheim SEM module individualy. Then study and model how Oberheim 8 voice was dealing with thouse 8 SEM modules And then give a possibility to run all thouse modules in the same time for thouse who have 12 core Mac Pro and for thouse who don't, well even a singel monophonic SEM module can give pretty nice sounds

Oberheim 8 is quite fascination synthesizers if u watched my video link!

[chilly7]

Awrybody vouting for Oberheim must look at this monster.


I think awrybody agrees this is must be modeled in next Diva

I don't.

No Oberheim 8 voice is number one candidate which must be modeled in Diva.
Take a listen again


I know that awrybody agrees with me!

Have you tried the Arturia 8 Voice (SEM V)? Between that and OP-X, all your Oberheim needs may be already covered.

Yes, i did, but the problem with them is

1)sound quality is not up to Diva
2) they modeled a singel SEM module, but i want Oberheim 8 voice. While they have mode called "8 voice Programer" it is not alternative for a real Oberheim 8 voice, because in real thing u could:
1) u could tweak parameters of each module anyway u want and then run them:
1) sequenser
2) polyphonic
3) unison

But with Arturia 8 voice Programer u cannot fine tune each of 8 modules individualy, u have only one so as result if u was blowed away by that video which i posted early, u cannot get thouse sounds with Arturia, unfortionaly

[djanthonyw]

My vote goes to SH-101 and TB-303.

[markcohn]

My vote goes to SH-101 and TB-303.

I asked before, but I'll ask you, since you requested that one specifically...is there a sound or type of sound you can get on an SH-101 that you can't get with the Roland modules already in Diva? It seems like there's nothing on it that's not already there...just curious.

[olikana]

My vote goes to SH-101 and TB-303.

I asked before, but I'll ask you, since you requested that one specifically...is there a sound or type of sound you can get on an SH-101 that you can't get with the Roland modules already in Diva? It seems like there's nothing on it that's not already there...just curious.

the 101 has a 18db filter and that alone when modulated will make it sound different from any offerings in diva. and it's a good charcahther filter too.
i would love one too....but my first choice remains an oberheim filter cos imo it's an "essential" (and altough electro goes around the whole forum telling ppl how great op-x is...that filter sounds like plasticky old dsp va filters...not the standard diva is setting which is = the real thing)

[markcohn]

the 101 has a 18db filter and that alone when modulated will make it sound different from any offerings in diva. and it's a good charcahther filter too.
i would love one too....but my first choice remains an oberheim filter cos imo it's an "essential" (and altough electro goes around the whole forum telling ppl how great op-x is...that filter sounds like plasticky old dsp va filters...not the standard diva is setting which is = the real thing)

Ah...interesting. I didn't realize that about the filter, that is kinda unique. Thank you for that info. But yes, I agree and I'm all for the essentials! The op-x pro 2 I checked out wasn't completely terrible, and if there was a real mac version without having to run VFX outside my DAW, I might have picked it up. So I can only imagine how luscious a Diva level OB module would be...MMmmmm

[hakey]

the 101 has a 18db filter

Is this an 18dB filter in the same way that the 303 filter is 18dB, ie, 24dB?

[hakey]

Roland filter specs

[Urs]

I have to check but I think the SH-101 and TB-303 both have very similar filters, using transistors as diodes in a ladder configuration. I wouldn't be surprised if they were essentially the same, with a much harder drive in the TB.

Oops, sorry, the System 100 Model 101/102 is similar (not identical) to the 303, while the SH-101 uses nearly the same filter components as the Juno-6 / Jupiter-8. Hence matching the 101 might be doable for us with tweaks to the cascade filter - in addition to rough and clean settings.

We'll see... while tweaking filter models is fun, no-one at u-he is looking forward to weeks of ear-tuning filter frequencies for 3 quality modes times 3 sample rates times 150 semitones (Great and Divine share same tuning). It's a mind draining, tinitus inducing and somewhat brain smoking task.