Satin goes V1.1

[Timfonie]

Also, +1 on the feature requests for lower minimum tape speed.

Another vote for extending parameter ranges into more low fi territories.

[Ch00rD]

@Ch00rD:
Keep in mind, that my preset uses 120bpm as basis, while the settings in the UAD manual show the minimum and maximum speed values. You still need to do the math if you want to setup the heads to the correct/desired beats.

If I'd setup the UAD to 120bpm, the first head would be at 125ms.
Now let's do the math...

Purely mathematical:
H1: 125ms, H2: 250ms, H3: 375ms (1/8th dot) or 333.333 (1/4t).

The UAD heads in relation to each other:
H1: 125ms (1/16th), H2: roughly 237,375ms (shifted 1/8th), H3: roughly 335 to 340ms (1/4th t)

GSi clone:
H1: 125ms (1/16th), H2: 246ms (1/8th), H3: 370ms (1/8th dot)


Unless I get exact values of all three heads (first one setup to 125ms or 120bpm), I have to work with these values. This is possible - and if you folks are up to it, I'll do it.

Oh, right... for the UAD SE-201 emu, the 'Repeat Rate' scales the delay time values. The values I mentioned earlier are the ones shown on the GUI when Repeat Rate is at its maximum value. The ratio between the delay times is fixed: H2 is ±1.9 the size of H1, and H3 is ±2.75 as large as H1 - the display rounds to ms, so the numbers are slightly inaccurate. I added a few more numbers for reference below.

This 'repeat rate' parameter more or less equates to Satin's Speed ips parameter. I guess we should use the values exactly halfway between the minimum and maximum in the UAD SE-201, and set Satin's Speed ips to 15.0. Then we can match tempo by ear, tweaking the Speed ips parameter.

When using 120 BPM as a reference point, the values in UA's SE-201 emu are 125 / 237 / 344 ms. If you enable tempo sync, the display changes to 1/16, -1/8, +1/4t. Compared to your purely mathematical numbers, the third head is a little late.

[Dip200]

Congratulations on your release. I think the plugin is top-notch. In fact I think it's the overall best tape emulation out there (for my personal demand profile, I can't speak for everyone of course).

- very fine and detailed sound
- yet low latency
- yet is in the same ballpark as other (including inferior) tape emulations cpu wise
- highly configurable and flexible (unlike most other tape emus)
- nice GUI (needs some tweaks as other people pointed out but it can all be done within the existing GUI)
- nice additional features like delay and flanger which sound amazing

only downside: It has no spinning wheels


However, I have a request, sorta a bug

Even tho the asio performance is quite nice compared to other high-end tape emulations, I would like to run it with jbridge in asynchronous performance mode. Because Satin does, when not only compared to other tape plugins, use a lot asio power.

The jbridge performance mode drastically reduces the asio consumption and allows to work (kinda) in realtime and use the plugin many times within a project. The performance mode has a larger effect than doubling the asio latency system wide. This mode is so powerful I could probably use Satin on every single track and still have a decent latency.

Sadly, the bridged versions do not run properly. (Unlike VTM for example). I get a dispatcher opto code 19 error message. Although jbridge offers an option that is supposed to help when this issue comes up, the plugin remains unstable and crashes Cubase 7.04. Or to be more precise: It freezes Cubase whenever I open a Satin instance for the 2nd (!) time. Please note, I bought a license, so it does not have to do with the "register plugin" screen.

I can imagine that if you can fix the problem that users who use the plugin without jbridge also benefit from it.

[zvenx]

I can imgagine that if you can fix the problem that users who use the plugin without jbridge also benefit from it.

what is the problem without jbridge? Certainly I can run several instances in Cubendo without issues.

rsp

[Compyfox]

Currently finalizing some stuff, writing a short "readme" and then uploading.

Will be three tape machines this time around. One from Italy, one from the US and one from the UK. This should be enough for the time being as I don't have access to more units (except Nomad Factory - didn't go for the IKM tape machine).

Just give me a bit.

[Ch00rD]

[...] But there's hope!

"Currently looking for a good Space Echo. RE-201 or RE-301. I love the warble in this video, even if it is a worn out tape."

Quote from Valhalla dsp facebook page!

I saw that too. Exciting. Looking forward.

Vee3 can do a very nice delay as well, btw.

[Ch00rD]

only downside: It has no spinning wheels

I actually *love* the fact that Satin's GUI does *not* have any skeuomorphic spinning tape wheels.

[Dip200]

only downside: It has no spinning wheels

I actually *love* the fact that Satin's GUI does *not* have any skeuomorphic spinning tape wheels.

hehe, I have to admit I like the spinning wheels of Kramer Tape, Yamaha Tape and especially VTM but ... they take away lots of space and offer no use. So in that regard the Satin GUI is nicer. I definitely like the Satin GUI, no doubt.

[Urs]

@Ch00rd - if you grab the slider at its handle, you can freely move it. Only if you click into free space inside the slider region it'll quantise to 16th notes. You can furtermore use shift for fine control and you can use shift + mousewheel for that as well.

@everyone: Satin is first and foremost a simulation of high endish tape components. We hadn't aimed for lofi, but if it's requested and if we find the time we might add some more dirt for sure.

@Compyfox: The Lock functionality should only work on preset load. It does not affect a saved preset. Just make sure you have nothing locked when you load that preset.

[Compyfox]

And... as promised - an update!


I just finished two preset packs:
- Roland Space Echo RE-201 (2 machines with different head positions!)
- WEM/Watkins Copycat Mk IV

The Space Echo presets got a slight overhaul and are now on v1.01, the Copycat Presets are at v1.0. I do not recommend using the "sync" presets - you might as well use SATIN as normal tape delay then. They're just in there to have a starting point for specific tape machine ideas. Though I could have created sync presets with the appropriate drifts - but the other presets work just as fine.

Anyway. Special thanks go to KVRian's Ch00rD and 4damind for the UAD settings of the RE-201. Definitely appreciated.

Though please keep in mind, no more tape echo's from me as of this moment. I simply don't have more at my disposal. Though... technically, I do have the Nomad Factory one, and another tape machine stomp in Line6's PODfarm (I think that's an Echoplex-ish one). But I'm lazy. But I definitely don't mind if someone ports the tape delays from both IKM (Echoplex 3) and the UAD one (Echoplex 34).

Anyway, the links can be found a bit further below. As usual, I provided readme files. These are not "nulled" presets, but good starting points to create your own custom tape, but with the head positions from Roland and WEM.


PRESETS:
RL Space Echo Presets v1.01
RL Copycat Presets v1.01


Suitable for SATIN v1827 (RC) and up.
Please enjoy.

@Compyfox: The Lock functionality should only work on preset load. It does not affect a saved preset. Just make sure you have nothing locked when you load that preset.

Thing is... you load something, and then the whole engine goes apesh*t. I simply created presets without locking ANYTHING.


Speaking of which - if you like them (the presets), include them with the official releases. Would love to see that.

[Ch00rD]

@Ch00rd - if you grab the slider at its handle, you can freely move it. Only if you click into free space inside the slider region it'll quantise to 16th notes. You can furtermore use shift for fine control and you can use shift + mousewheel for that as well.

Yes, the *slider* can be moved outside of the quantised positions, but the actual delay time does not change when doing so (iirc, I'm not at computer atm, but I'll triple check later).

[gwok]

just reposting this as i think it may have gotten buried already

hey there,

I'm running rev.1818, and I'm noticing when having multiple instances on a group, scrolling through presets on one instance, that on other instances, the services area is not update, nor is the Tape Mode.

I am finding though sometimes paramters DO change, though it's not consistant, and seems to have some correlation to if i have just changed a parameter via mouse on that instance. Then it seems to change. Though once i've adjusted a parameter via mouse on another instance, then the parameters no longer update on preset changes..

hope that makes sense

edit: here is a vid showing the behaviour. It's a little tough to see, but just keep your eye on the right instance while the presets are changing in the left -

http://imageshack.us/clip/my-videos/690 ... tcace.mp4/

Osx 10.6.8,
reaper 4.52, 32bit
satin - vst

[Ch00rD]

And... as promised - an update! [...]

Thanks again!

[Urs]

@Ch00rd - if you grab the slider at its handle, you can freely move it. Only if you click into free space inside the slider region it'll quantise to 16th notes. You can furtermore use shift for fine control and you can use shift + mousewheel for that as well.

Yes, the *slider* can be moved outside of the quantised positions, but the actual delay time does not change when doing so (iirc, I'm not at computer atm, but I'll triple check later).

Hmmm... that should be fixed in post 1818 revisions. Afaik

[Ch00rD]

Ah, cool, thanks. I was 'still' using Rev1818. Will grab latest version...