KVR Audio

braj · Post by **braj** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:57 am

FWIW, this is from their Facebook page.

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:02 am

Ingonator wrote:Anyway somehow it is also hard to believe how the circuits of a full featured analog monosynth fit there and additionally also the circuits for teh digital part of it (including d/a converters, RAM/ROM chips and USB controller).

Again: high level of component integration into ICs makes this very much possible. There's no RAM/ROM chips, it's all handled plugin-side as far as preset management. USB controller is likely in the same IC as the ADC, too.

If todays CPUs can have dozens of MILLIONS of transistors on an area less than a square centimeter, why is suddenly doing an analog synth that at best has a few thousand components in similarly small scale not possible? It definitely is.

Russell Grand · Post by **Russell Grand** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:02 am

Chapelle wrote:
Local Man wrote:This seems more like something that would be announced on April 1st rather than December 1st.
+1

I fail to see the appeal of this. It's somehow the worst of both worlds. Lacks the advantage of both hardware (tweaking knobs, using it without a computer, no worries about OS updates breaking things) and software (multiple instances, offline bouncing/rendering)...

Agreed.
(However, I am a total sucker for analogue. But I've got a Minilogue on the way so I'm set.)
I wish the company best of luck, but Trueno gets a hard pass from me.

Russell Grand · Post by **Russell Grand** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:06 am

egbert101 wrote:Amazon is just about the biggest mainstream marketplace on the internet. It's not like some niche weird online shop.

Some people don't gel with Amazon's politiks and refuse to support the company.

braj · Post by **braj** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:11 am

EvilDragon wrote:
Ingonator wrote:Anyway somehow it is also hard to believe how the circuits of a full featured analog monosynth fit there and additionally also the circuits for teh digital part of it (including d/a converters, RAM/ROM chips and USB controller).
Again: high level of component integration into ICs makes this very much possible.

I'm sure it's doable, they are apparently ready to take it to market, I don't think they are fibbing. Just I don't know if it will be all that. It really is an early adopter product right now. It will be interesting to see how is does and how it evolves.

braj · Post by **braj** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:16 am

This also has to compete in a world where I, for instance, right before me have 3 polyphonic Repro-5's layered on a patch running on a 5 year old computer without any problem. And I can definitely add more. I don't see the upside on paying more for a monosynth that does less and doesn't sound discernibly more analog or better to my ears.

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:17 am

That filter sweep with high resonance example was very much in Polivoks vein (if just slightly bit more "behaved", but not too much). Didn't hear that kind of dirt done in such a good way from any plugin yet, including the venerable The Drop.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:31 am

Yesterday Trueno was not available at Amazon in Germany but now it seems to be available:
https://www.amazon.de/dp/B077HTTX9G

ATN69 · Post by **ATN69** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:41 am

But if this is truly analog, how is a analog audio signal transmitted thru a USB interface? ..and how is that then processed by the sound card? There has to be D/A conversion involved somewhere I think

A true analog synth like my old Roland Juno 60 didn't have any A/D or D/A conversion in the signal flow. All signals from the oscillators, all thru to the amps were handled in the analog domain.

braj · Post by **braj** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:46 am

ATN69 wrote:But if this is truly analog, how is a analog audio signal transmitted thru a USB interface? ..and how is that then processed by the sound card? There has to be D/A conversion involved somewhere I think

A true analog synth like my old Roland Juno 60 didn't have any A/D or D/A conversion in the signal flow. All signals from the oscillators, all thru to the amps were handled in the analog domain.

I'm wondering how much of the signal path between components in the synth itself is analog. Does it really matter? I dunno. I think the instance issue and latency issue are more pronounced problems with this as any kind of replacement for soft synths.

sqigls · Post by **sqigls** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:48 am

the OS and sample rate limitations seem pretty daft to me. it's the type of thing i might just buy on an impulse to check out. but i am stuck on OSX10.9.5 for the unforseable future, and i work at either 48 or 96 kHz exclusively.

i guess they have their target market sorted, what do i know? seems a bit silly though.

SLiC · Post by **SLiC** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:48 am

ATN69 wrote:But if this is truly analog, how is a analog audio signal transmitted thru a USB interface? ..and how is that then processed by the sound card? There has to be D/A conversion involved somewhere I think

A true analog synth like my old Roland Juno 60 didn't have any A/D or D/A conversion in the signal flow. All signals from the oscillators, all thru to the amps were handled in the analog domain.

All analog synth become digital once you record them in to your DAW, this is just an analog synth with its own USB A to D built in.

ATN69 · Post by **ATN69** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:02 am

SLiC wrote:
ATN69 wrote:But if this is truly analog, how is a analog audio signal transmitted thru a USB interface? ..and how is that then processed by the sound card? There has to be D/A conversion involved somewhere I think

A true analog synth like my old Roland Juno 60 didn't have any A/D or D/A conversion in the signal flow. All signals from the oscillators, all thru to the amps were handled in the analog domain.
All analog synth become digital once you record them in to your DAW, this is just an analog synth with its own USB A to D built in.

That's a good point. So this is semi analog then

ghettosynth · Post by **ghettosynth** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:06 am

ATN69 wrote:
SLiC wrote:
ATN69 wrote:But if this is truly analog, how is a analog audio signal transmitted thru a USB interface? ..and how is that then processed by the sound card? There has to be D/A conversion involved somewhere I think

A true analog synth like my old Roland Juno 60 didn't have any A/D or D/A conversion in the signal flow. All signals from the oscillators, all thru to the amps were handled in the analog domain.
All analog synth become digital once you record them in to your DAW, this is just an analog synth with its own USB A to D built in.
That's a good point. So this is semi analog then

It's no more "semi analog" than any other analog synth that's ever been recorded and pressed onto a CD or digital file. That has to be something like 90% plus of all music ever produced with analog synths.

It's an an analog synth and a sound card combined into one product.

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:08 am

ATN69 wrote:But if this is truly analog, how is a analog audio signal transmitted thru a USB interface? ..and how is that then processed by the sound card? There has to be D/A conversion involved somewhere I think

A true analog synth like my old Roland Juno 60 didn't have any A/D or D/A conversion in the signal flow. All signals from the oscillators, all thru to the amps were handled in the analog domain.

It's mentioned on the website: it has a 24-bit, 44.1kHz ADC. Not DAC, since the originating signal is analog, not digital.

Tone2 I2 vs Trueno Analog