Are you a composer or a technoid?

[stefancrs]

Why? Do you care about them?

[vurt]

i went for a walk earlier,doesnt mean i dont know how to ride my bike tho

[Whoomph]

Yeh but did you whistle a melody or hum a tune ..or did you just go with the rythym of your footsteps. can't believe I'm getting involved on this mess of an arguement.

And if you did go on your bike does it have football
cards attached to the spokes to make it sound like a moterbike or does it have stabelizers, see !?

[Hink]

I'm an artist, the audio spectrum is my pallette and the ear is my canvas...when it comes to being a yechnoid I use whatever means possible to turn my vision in my head into reality...I just roll with the flow there, knowing that next year much of what I learned last year will be obsolete..

[whyterabbyt]

I love the recurrent implications that someone who works more experimentally

(a) is actually be deaf and has never even heard any melody (let alone learned anything about it ever), and are thus incapable of discovering or creating it in any form whatsoever

(b) deliberately eschew all melodic content as an implicit part of working with a different focus

c) automatically consider themselves some sort of elite on the grounds that they have entirely rejected anything which is not deliberitely a-melodic

Time and time again, I've seen the trained composers do experimental works with sound and untraditional structures--breaking away from what they were taught to explore new sonic territories, then combine that with their conventional knowledge/skills. But I really don't see the electronic guys going out and learning the traditional stuff in order to be more well-rounded. Yet, they always accuse the traditional guys for being close-minded and elitists? Talk about irony.

Here's the real irony, chummo. You totally ignore the possibility that your latter group, dismissed as 'knob-twiddlers' have never had any interest, background or whatever that might put them with your vaunted 'trained composers'. But you happily make your arbitrary distinctions, tarring entire swathes on the basis of their current preference with nothing but contempt.

Yeah, closed-minded and elitist alright.

[cron]

I love the recurrent implications that someone who works more experimentally

(a) is actually be deaf and has never even heard any melody (let alone learned anything about it ever), and are thus incapable of discovering or creating it in any form whatsoever

(b) deliberately eschew all melodic content as an implicit part of working with a different focus

c) automatically consider themselves some sort of elite on the grounds that they have entirely rejected anything which is not deliberitely a-melodic

Time and time again, I've seen the trained composers do experimental works with sound and untraditional structures--breaking away from what they were taught to explore new sonic territories, then combine that with their conventional knowledge/skills. But I really don't see the electronic guys going out and learning the traditional stuff in order to be more well-rounded. Yet, they always accuse the traditional guys for being close-minded and elitists? Talk about irony.

Here's the real irony, chummo. You totally ignore the possibility that your latter group, dismissed as 'knob-twiddlers' have never had any interest, background or whatever that might put them with your vaunted 'trained composers'. But you happily make your arbitrary distinctions, tarring entire swathes on the basis of their current preference with nothing but contempt.

Yeah, closed-minded and elitist alright.

If you'll pardon me for rather shockingly plugging my own track ( http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=81697 ), this thread is one of the main reasons why I uploaded it. The idea that experimental music can't contain harmony or melody strikes me as faintly ridiculous. I think a lot of people would be surprised to see how just many folk have actively chosen to give up a 'real' instrument they play competently in order to concentrate wholly on 'knob-twiddling'.

[kilroy]

I'm an artist, the audio spectrum is my pallette and the ear is my canvas...when it comes to being a yechnoid...

New genre you're pioneering, hink?

[whyterabbyt]

cron quoth If you'll pardon me for rather shockingly plugging my own track

God lord man, what do you think this is? Some kind of website where any nobody can turn up and pimp their so-called 'music' at people? Dont you understand that we cant just encourage anyone who just feels like it to make music; that would totally undermine everything that is good and fair and just and right in this world!!!!

[cron]

cron quoth If you'll pardon me for rather shockingly plugging my own track

God lord man, what do you think this is? Some kind of website where any nobody can turn up and pimp their so-called 'music' at people? Dont you understand that we cant just encourage anyone who just feels like it to make music; that would totally undermine everything that is good and fair and just and right in this world!!!!

My bad.

I'm crunching up my audio drive beneath my feet as I type.

[Hink]

I'm an artist, the audio spectrum is my pallette and the ear is my canvas...when it comes to being a yechnoid...

New genre you're pioneering, hink?

that typo was actualy accidently on purpose, after I saw the Y I said that sounds better...

[vurt]

Yeh but did you whistle a melody or hum a tune ..or did you just go with the rythym of your footsteps. can't believe I'm getting involved on this mess of an arguement.

And if you did go on your bike does it have football
cards attached to the spokes to make it sound like a moterbike or does it have stabelizers, see !?

to answer your question no i didnt hum i sang loudly at the top of my lungs,song from the shows isf you must know

but to put my statement another way,a cheese sandwich isnt always better with mayonnaise

[Whoomph]

(advance apology for non-international content in this post)

Thanks for the answer vurt , that has def cleared some of this up for me
mmmm,...
I suppose this thread is really like saying who was more important Bodie or Doyle,
or that summer should come before spring even though it actually does the year previous,
Or that you can have salted crisps or you can have salt and vinegar crisps , But which is more important the salt or the vinegar???
and are pringels just an old idea re-hashed?,no matter what new shapes you give them or what flavours you put in them they're still crisps(known as chips in some countries), I mean primitive cultures just had sliced potatoe did they realy understand the thinly sliced potatoe or were they the experts???
obviously this thread opens more questions than it answers , questions that I could probably use to clean out my blocked toilet with

[vurt]

basically yeah,dont let anyone tell you how to eat your cheese sandwich,if you dont want mayo then dont have it.

[shamann]

Who puts mayo on their cheese sandwich?

[vurt]

its a metaphor


altho tescos put mayo on all their sandwiches