Anything and everything about MIDI - arp, mapper, mangler, generator, chorder, controller, utility, fx etc.

[OneOfManyPauls]

I use ableton with other VST sequencers to route CCs to plugins and hardware synths with no problem. What is it specifically that ableton can't do with the VST?

Live doesn't pass CC messages sent from StepicVST for controllers 3, 9, 14, 15, 20-31, 33-37, 39-63, 85-90, 102, 103-127. At least on Windows systems on which I have tested. Unfortunately, I haven't found a cause or solution. Since Stepic for Live exists, I did not pursue the issue further. Instead, I decided to offer a bundle for a very reasonable price to users, who want to use Stepic with Live and other hosts.

Weird. I've never had a problem on my mac with any cc I've sent. Just sanity checked (using HY_SEQ32) 3,9,14,15,20,33,39,85 and 102 - all worked fine routed to serum's midi learn.

I prefer VSTs for flexibility to DAW specific solutions.

[Devicemeister]

How do you automate parameters of Live devices like Wavetable, Analog, Operator, audio effects, etc.?

[bharris22]

Is StepicVST available for 32 bit Windows systems as well as 64 bit systems?

[OneOfManyPauls]

How do you automate parameters of Live devices like Wavetable, Analog, Operator, audio effects, etc.?

I don't know if that's a general question, but on my mac what I do for ableton devices is use a midi track to route the output CC from the sequencer to the IAC midi output, and then select "midi" (top right) or right click and midi map and it will map the control I press to the current CC being sent. (need to have IAC input set for remote in preferences>midi)

quick video showing LFO to CC 102 in HY-SEQ32 affecting the dry/wet of ableton compressor

[Devicemeister]

Understood. Currently the CC issue with StepicVST and Ableton Live is not on the todo. I may take up this matter again in the future.

Is StepicVST available for 32 bit Windows systems as well as 64 bit systems?

No, only 64 Bit support.

[dopet]

Hey all!

Now that I figured out how to get the Wotja 22 vst3 to correctly send midi data between tracks in Studio One 5, I ended up putting together a track that features Wotja 22 and Rast Sound's R.I.G and Motif. I haven't posted this in the Wotja 22 thread as it doesn't solely feature Wotja. Anyhow, I know there are a few of us that monitor both threads.

The additional melodic & noise elements are midi data captured and edited from Rast Sound's R.I.G and Motif (https://rastsound.com/downloads/generative-collection/). There are some keyboard sounds from Tape Piano II (from Thenatan) and I think a free music box sound from somewhere. The noise and foley sounds were from R.I.G.

I think that sums up all the tracks. Enjoy!

Thanks for sharing the music and the information @dopet

I am curious about the Rast Sound generative stuff. I have had it in my basket a few times but never quite hit the buy button, mostly because I never see any feedback about it. So I would be interested to hear your thoughts.

Hello! The only Rast Sound things I own are these generative tools. I got the bundle on a sale a few (maybe more than a few?) months back. Overall, I like the sound and style of Rast and will own more I am sure.

Here is the biggest thing to be aware of: none of these (Cinescapes, RIG, Motif) sync to the daw start/stop. It is tedious to preview in context. You have to physically hit the 'play button' on the interface to start the algorithm.


Interestingly as I was using Wotja for this recent track, I did wonder if Cinescapes Pro V2 could give similar results as the Wotja did on the 'strings' track... basically a generated, evolving chord progression. I don't think it could produce the same result. Cinescapes is good for slow, evolving gradual chord changes (sometimes 17 measures between changes) without many (any?) options for really controlling this. Wotja has a lot of parameters and I was (relatively )easily able to get a chord generation track that had some interesting ebb and flow (with pauses, gaps, differing chords). I'll be the 1st to admit, like most if us I'm sure, I have waaay to many tools at my disposal, so I really haven't spent a tremendous amount of time deep diving thru all of these. However, I don't recall ever keeping/using a Cinescapes Pro track yet? I'm sure I have some 'test tracks' somewhere. I don't want to make a blanket statement here, but I recall feeling a certain 'sameness' in the Cinescapes Pro generated progressions? I think it is due to the long, slow evolving nature of the engine. Granted I may have just set it to 'C Minor' and didn't explore the other options ....

Motif I quite like. It's in the vein of things like Audiomoderns Riffer, etc but has it's own thing. The options for 'Solo', 'Harmonic' & 'Multi' trigger different algorithms and thus produce different results. You can adjust the length of the 'seed idea' loop from 16 steps to 256 steps and then control the total length the loop will play... during which the algorithm can and/or will make some slight alterations. I haven't noticed as many variations in some of the shorter lengths. You can pull out the midi and have it trigger the internal sound engine of Motif (or RIG, or ... ) there are 3 tracks that you can load different sound sources to give the 'motif' some added interest. You could do the same thing with your VSTi's inside the DAW, but maybe not as easily.

R.I.G is quite interesting. Being the most rhythmic of the bunch the lack of DAW sync with start/stop is a bit of a drag. this comes with 4 tracks/sounds sources: percussion, 2 noise sources and a Foley sound source. Each sound source is spread over an octave on the keyboard (different sound per key) so there is a lot of variation in the included patches for each sound source. Since the exported midi can spread a few octaves there is some massaging may be needed to get it to work with other drum samplers. Personally, I'm not sure if the patterns created really rival what something like Audiomoderns Playbeat 3 could do? Completely different vibe though, so hard to judge apples to apples. Both have their merits .... On the website, there is a video where they show midi pulled from RIG used to trigger melodic instruments as opposed to percussion. Never tried that yet.. but seem interesting.

Overall, I do like them. Cinescapes being the one I use the least at the moment. I have emailed them in the past re: DAW stop/start sync, but have never had a reply. In some sense, this 'free form' creation seems to fit the 'ethos' of this bundle, so take that for whatever its worth. Personally, I never found it too hard to audition some of the created loops and just drag the ones with potential into something like Studio One's 'Scratch Pad' and audition in the song where needed. Not my preferred method though as gauging the usefulness of the longer generated ideas out of context is not very easy or fun really.

As a side note... I have been recently stockpiling some tracks/tests of some other generative tools that I can share eventually if interested (things like Lectric Panda's Aggregate Music System in the Reason Rack, Audio Moderns Chordjam, etc). The Post-Rock Guitar driven project is on a short hiatus, so I have had some time to play with these noise makers.

[ZincT]

@dopet

I appreciate the in depth feedback

You have pretty much confirmed what I thought from watching the videos on their website. Motif and R.I.G. are probably of most interest. Despite already having too many such tools I find, like you, that they can each bring their own nuances. The inability to sync to the daw start/stop is a bit of a shame but I guess you can work around it, as it sounds like RS has no appetite to fix it.

Cinescapes maybe worth it in a cheap bundle deal, but I am also getting into Wotja more and I guess it can do a lot more than Cinescapes.

I would certainly be interested to hear your track/test stockpile.

[Musical Gym]

@ZincT: Thanks for RS info. I'll sign up for the newsletter.

@dopet: Post-Rock Guitar driven project?

[fairlyclose]

Hey everybody,
I wanted to let you know that I just released Stepic, my step and modulation sequencer that was previously only available as Max for Live device, as VST3 & AU plugin - StepicVST.
https:/devicemeister.com

I post here because I think this thread is awesome and always enjoy reading it.
I hope, even if it is self-promotion, to make a small contribution.
For one or the other here StepicVST could be an interesting option.
Thanks for all the information gathered here with so much passion!
Jens

I remember lusting after this when it was M4L only but now I have HYSEQ32 I think there is no huge functionality added. But if I had Stepic first I would not have gone for HYSEQ32

[Musical Gym]

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[OneOfManyPauls]

I hope no one minds if I add this to the thread:

Thenatan's Set The Vibes Bundle
All Purpose Effects Bundle
$8.99 instead of $159
Plus free plugin(s) with order
https://www.adsrsounds.com/product/soft ... es-bundle/

what does this do to qualify as midi fx? (correct link is: https://www.adsrsounds.com/product/soft ... es-bundle/ )

[Musical Gym]

Thanks for correcting the link. I also posted it in the Bargains thread, so feel free to delete the link from your post. I thought it may have some relation to midi fx, but I haven't tried them yet. Just purchased and downloaded.

[dopet]

@ZincT: Thanks for RS info. I'll sign up for the newsletter.

@dopet: Post-Rock Guitar driven project?

@Musical Gym: Well, we may have taken some liberties with the genre name I'm sure. The drummer I work with (he's in Phoenix, AZ) and I are fans of post-rock and the like and have generally lumped our 'guitar driven instrumentals' under that heading. If you are curious here is the sound cloud link to our playlist:

https://soundcloud.com/thesoundden_us/s ... al_sharing

Feel free to send a PM if you want to chat more or have questions.

[dopet]

Hey everybody,
I wanted to let you know that I just released Stepic, my step and modulation sequencer that was previously only available as Max for Live device, as VST3 & AU plugin - StepicVST.
https:/devicemeister.com

I post here because I think this thread is awesome and always enjoy reading it.
I hope, even if it is self-promotion, to make a small contribution.
For one or the other here StepicVST could be an interesting option.
Thanks for all the information gathered here with so much passion!
Jens

Hello!

Thanks for sharing this. Always on the look out for cool new tools. I also have HYSEQ32, but at quick glance, this may have 1 or 2 additional tricks up it's sleeve that HYSEQ32 does not. Will have to investigate further.

[Kalamata Kid]

I and am sure others will like to get a informed opinion on the HYSEQ32 vs Stepic (or other) comparison .