The long DIVA thread

[Urs]

Nah, I'm still stick with that multiCore support. If I can't get it to do the right thing by tomorrow then I'll scrap it for now.

I also have to do unison, more graphics, more midi...

[EvilDragon]

If I can't get it to do the right thing by tomorrow then I'll scrap it for now.

[Urs]

If I can't get it to do the right thing by tomorrow then I'll scrap it for now.

No worries. It will get done eventually. But if it doesn't work 100% till mid of December then we'll do the release without and add it to the 1.01beta the next day

(nothing is ever finished... software always evolves...)

Urs

[EvilDragon]

Phew! You had me going there for a moment, Urs!

[Aiynzahev]

So, this thread is very long. I just have a few questions
I really like Diva, to the point where I feel confident selling all my soft-synths right now and just using this. There is something wrong with the way a lot of them sound. However, I wan't more flexibility and I like the sound of Zebra more. Although it costs more too.

Urs, are you making comments yet about what parts of Diva will definitely be put into Zebra?

It may have been said already but I couldn't read through the whole thread.

Thanks

[Urs]

So, this thread is very long. I just have a few questions
I really like Diva, to the point where I feel confident selling all my soft-synths right now and just using this. There is something wrong with the way a lot of them sound. However, I wan't more flexibility and I like the sound of Zebra more. Although it costs more too.

Urs, are you making comments yet about what parts of Diva will definitely be put into Zebra?

It may have been said already but I couldn't read through the whole thread.

Thanks

We have plans to add a flexible VCO model to Zebra, as well as some analogue filter models. We'll actually take the tweaks out of the Transistor Ladder and add it to Zebra's XMF. Then we'll add a Sallen-Key model to Zebra's normal VCF module.

Later on we might add a MultiMode filter to Zebra.

We've also planned to soup up Zebra's VCA section big time. There are stunning ideas for that.

Zebra won't be able to do feedback though. That's something that's just not possible within the architecture.

In other words: Some parts will stay Diva only, based on her architecture. Zebra will get similar quality moduels, but maybe not exactly identical ones (rather: less models which are more flexible instead)

Cheers,

Urs

[fmr]

So, this thread is very long. I just have a few questions
I really like Diva, to the point where I feel confident selling all my soft-synths right now and just using this. There is something wrong with the way a lot of them sound. However, I wan't more flexibility and I like the sound of Zebra more. Although it costs more too.

Urs, are you making comments yet about what parts of Diva will definitely be put into Zebra?

It may have been said already but I couldn't read through the whole thread.

Thanks

We have plans to add a flexible VCO model to Zebra, as well as some analogue filter models. We'll actually take the tweaks out of the Transistor Ladder and add it to Zebra's XMF. Then we'll add a Sallen-Key model to Zebra's normal VCF module.

Later on we might add a MultiMode filter to Zebra.

We've also planned to soup up Zebra's VCA section big time. There are stunning ideas for that.

Zebra won't be able to do feedback though. That's something that's just not possible within the architecture.

In other words: Some parts will stay Diva only, based on her architecture. Zebra will get similar quality moduels, but maybe not exactly identical ones (rather: less models which are more flexible instead)

Cheers,

Urs

I couldn't agree more with this approach. Sounds very reasonable and demonstrates you have your feet solidly on the ground.
Just don't forget Matrix-12 (Iknow, I'm a PITA)

[pdxindy]

Zebra won't be able to do feedback though. That's something that's just not possible within the architecture.

Cheers,

Urs

But you could have feedback within a particular module right? For example, you could have a 2osc module with cross modulation?

[hakey]

Zebra won't be able to do feedback though. That's something that's just not possible within the architecture.

But you could have feedback within a particular module right? For example, you could have a 2osc module with cross modulation?

XMF and some of Zebra's other filters must surely model feedback already?

(Not sure about that two osc cross modulation example - that's just simple AM/FM, isn't it?)

[Urs]

The filters model resonance, which is *one* form of feedback.

The feedback in Diva is taken from behind the VCA stage - so the sound changes with the volume envelope and volume settings.

Thus, in Diva the VCA is calculated within the lowpass filter module, and also fed back into the lowpass. Which is why you can't mix Feedback with a Highpass filter in Diva - it wouldn't work as expected

In Zebra it's impossible for a filter to take the output of a VCA stage without serious delay. It wouldn't sound right.

The only thing we could do is add a VCA to a filter module. But that would defeat the purpose of the modular approach of Zebra.

Urs

[crackershaun]

Urs,

Any feel for when the next beta release will come?

As a software developer myself, I know there is NOT a perfect strategy for testing - and different approaches can be required for very different situations.

Sometimes it can be worthwhile to have more frequent incremental releases, to check that fixes appear to make things better and don't break other things.

However, that can cause more confusion trying to keep track of multiple versions 'in the wild' - so I don't feel qualified to go as far as saying this is a 'suggestion'.

Also, any idea when a Manual might be included, or is that a very low priority?

[Urs]

We're working on critical sections, literally. Once we're done we'll release a new beta.

[Bronto Scorpio]

We're working on critical sections, literally. Once we're done we'll release a new beta.

Great

Cheers
Dennis

[hakey]

Suggestion, Triple Oscillator: add the ability to select a pure waveform (reverse saw, triangle, saw, square) by double clicking around the knob on the relevant waveform shape.

EDIT: do the same for the numbers around the detune knob - would be quicker than click+dragging (triple osc detune knobs seem to require longer mouse drags than the other osc modules?).

[PAK]

Suggestion, Triple Oscillator: add the ability to select a pure waveform (reverse saw, triangle, saw, square) by double clicking around the knob on the relevant waveform shape.

EDIT: do the same for the numbers around the detune knob - would be quicker than click+dragging (triple osc detune knobs seem to require longer mouse drags than the other osc modules?).

You know the funny thing? The first time I used Diva I thought what you're describing was the default behaviour, because I tried double clicking on the middle shape and it indeed set it to 5.00 ..

Of course, soon after, I discovered that double-click was simply returning to centre. But I back that up as a very nice suggestion since that was literally how I tried to use Diva at first, so it must make some sort of sense (at least to me and you ). I also think it makes sense to do this for the range knobs (would make the GUI that little bit faster to use), though I wouldn't care about it being on the detune since my normal behaviour there is to make small adjustments rather than defined steps.