Anyone here use Hive?

[Dúnedain]

They say hive is inspired by Sylenth but to me it seems uhe got its inspiration by the Alesis andromeda which also features 2 osc and 2 subs.

[Elektronisch]

They say hive is inspired by Sylenth but to me it seems uhe got its inspiration by the Alesis andromeda which also 2 osc and 2 subs.

I also got the same thought some time ago

[fluffy_little_something]

Are you sure you looked up Mini SynX? It has knobs, sliders, switches, buttons, and mini joysticks, not just knobs like on the lower panel of Diva. And the controls are arranged in a graphic way that makes them easy to remember. I know it is a different kind of GUI approach, but I think it is easier on many people's eyes and minds.

Doesn't look different to me... Diva has knobs, sliders, switches and buttons too. The bottom pane has buttons, knobs and menus and the controls are arranged in a graphic way as well... The only place that I would say has some visual vagueness is the right side... the delay. It is 10 knobs that are not particularly differentiated from each other visually (I'm nitpicking here)... the rest, the LFO's, Tuning, Voices and Arp modules are all easy to see and understand.

Mini SynX on the filter, it has 5 knobs the same size so cutoff is not immediately obvious... neither is resonance. Might be nice to have the cutoff and resonance knobs bigger so they are more immediately obvious. Also, the grouping seems a bit odd and unintuitive to me. Of course if you use it a bit you will quickly know what is what. Which is the same with Diva... The bottom panel does not seem even a tiny bit confusing to me.

Again, I was talking about the LOWER panel of Diva, where there are no sliders and buttons, but only zillions of identical knobs and those tiny displays with the even tinier options displayed in them.
As I said before, the upper panel looks fine to me, the lower one is the opposite, almost reminds me of SE synths.

Yes, I agree that making cutoff and resonance knobs bigger or otherwise different is good, but in the case of Mini SynX those two controls are the top (literally and figuratively) two controls in the filter section and cutoff is to the left of resonance (which seems to be the standard), so I don't even have to read the labels. A GUI like that immediately sticks in my mind, whereas others would take months, if ever. In Hive the cutoff and resonance knobs are not bigger than other knobs, either, by the way. There only seem to be two sizes of knobs, cutoff and resonance are the bigger size, like most others.

I have a very visual mind, so layout and looks are very important to me. People with the same kind of mind know what I am talking about.

Maybe you just see it differently because your mind works differently or less visually, and also because you obviously have spent a whole lot of time with Diva, since you offer a sound set for it. Maybe I would know Diva controls as well after half a year or so, but the GUI is so off-putting to me, that I would not even want to get into it, frankly.

[pdxindy]

Again, I was talking about the LOWER panel of Diva, where there are no sliders and buttons

I just counted 6 buttons on the default bottom pane...

Yes, I agree that making cutoff and resonance knobs bigger or otherwise different is good, but in the case of Mini SynX those two controls are the top (literally and figuratively) two controls in the filter section and cutoff is to the left of resonance (which seems to be the standard), so I don't even have to read the labels. A GUI like that immediately sticks in my mind, whereas others would take months, if ever.

Unless you have a different version of the GUI, that is incorrect. Cutoff is at the top but Resonance is below and in a different visual grouping. Not how you are describing it and not immediately expected positions to me, but it would take me all of one afternoon to adjust to it. No biggie

In Hive the cutoff and resonance knobs are not bigger than other knobs, either, by the way. There only seem to be two sizes of knobs, cutoff and resonance are the bigger size, like most others.

In Hive there are 3 main knobs left to right... cutoff, resonance, volume. Real clear and obvious order to me. Never once have I grabbed the wrong one. Looks more visually obvious to me than the Mini SynX one.

I have a very visual mind, so layout and looks are very important to me. People with the same kind of mind know what I am talking about.

Maybe you just see it differently because your mind works differently or less visually, and also because you obviously have spent a whole lot of time with Diva, since you offer a sound set for it. Maybe I would know Diva controls as well after half a year or so, but the GUI is so off-putting to me, that I would not even want to get into it, frankly.

Half a year? wow that is slow!

I felt fluid with Diva within a couple days of starting with it. I find it orderly, generally well laid out and easy to read. The controls work well - double click resets, mousewheel works and has preferences control over behavior, fine adjust modifier, etc. If I could easily tweak the layout, I would make a few minor changes... but those are all nitpicks. It is a pleasure to work with. I had the same experience with Hive.

[shonoob]

They say hive is inspired by Sylenth but to me it seems uhe got its inspiration by the Alesis andromeda which also features 2 osc and 2 subs.

that is amazing

[fluffy_little_something]

The tiny round ones? I thought those were LED's ^^

Strange, I had looked up the Mini SynX on Google image search and thought I saw cutoff next to resonance, really strange.
But it is indeed below, which is unusual.
Still, all in all the GUI is much more appealing and inviting to me.

Yes, it would take me a very long time to know all those tiny Diva knobs by heart because they all look the same and there are no visual clues. It is like with those British suburbs with their long roads full of brownstone homes that all look the same

Maybe you simply are on the U-he developers' wavelength, which makes it easy for you to follow their way of thinking. I am not I suppose...

By the way, when you click on the big patch display at the top, does your mouse wheel work on that drop-down menu?

[pdxindy]

The tiny round ones? I thought those were LED's ^^

Strange, I had looked up the Mini SynX on Google image search and thought I saw cutoff next to resonance, really strange.
But it is indeed below, which is unusual.
Still, all in all the GUI is much more appealing and inviting to me.

Yes, it would take me a very long time to know all those tiny Diva knobs by heart because they all look the same and there are no visual clues. It is like with those British suburbs with their long roads full of brownstone homes that all look the same

Maybe you simply are on the U-he developers' wavelength, which makes it easy for you to follow their way of thinking. I am not I suppose...

By the way, when you click on the big patch display at the top, does your mouse wheel work on that drop-down menu?

That you thought they were LED's and that the Mini SynX reso knob was next to the cutoff shows you do not even use those GUI's so you are just making quick assumptions based on a casual glance.

There are visual cues on the bottom pane of Diva... the different module areas - The Amplifier/Pan module has 4 knobs... Volume and Pan and a modifier for each... nothing hard to remember or confusing about that.

The Arp/Clock section has Swing and a time multiplier knob.
The LFO's have Phase, Delay, Rate, Rate Mod and Depth Mod knobs.
The Tuning section has Vibrato, Glide, Glide 2, Glide Range and global Fine Tune knobs.

Those are clearly organized sections with obvious and expected controls in them. Nothing hard to follow there.

While I do generally like the design choices made by u-he, I get along fine with lots of different GUI's. Most of the top Devs all make excellent GUI's these days.


The mousewheel does not work on the preset dropdown at the top...

[bftucker]

Congratulations U-He and team.

Another great synth wins the FLS GOLD Seal of Disapproval.

[liquidsound]

FLS as in FLStudio?

[fluffy_little_something]

That you thought they were LED's and that the Mini SynX reso knob was next to the cutoff shows you do not even use those GUI's so you are just making quick assumptions based on a casual glance.

There are visual cues on the bottom pane of Diva... the different module areas - The Amplifier/Pan module has 4 knobs... Volume and Pan and a modifier for each... nothing hard to remember or confusing about that.

The Arp/Clock section has Swing and a time multiplier knob.
The LFO's have Phase, Delay, Rate, Rate Mod and Depth Mod knobs.
The Tuning section has Vibrato, Glide, Glide 2, Glide Range and global Fine Tune knobs.

Those are clearly organized sections with obvious and expected controls in them. Nothing hard to follow there.

While I do generally like the design choices made by u-he, I get along fine with lots of different GUI's. Most of the top Devs all make excellent GUI's these days.


The mousewheel does not work on the preset dropdown at the top...

I don't use those GUI's because I don't use those synths. However, I have had the demo of Diva on my computer several times, the last time maybe half a year ago, so no, I do not remember every detail of it. Mini SynX I tried once, when it came out. Again, I don't remember every detail of it. Which is why I looked both GUI's up on Google. Seems my mind played a trick on my with Mini SynX, I really thought it was cutoff next to resonance.

I don't see visual clues in Diva just because certain controls are expected and typical of a given section.
When you say for instance, "The Tuning section has Vibrato, Glide, Glide 2, Glide Range and global Fine Tune knobs", my problem is that they all look the same, so I have to read the labels, which is very difficult for me.
I think Zebra is a lot better in terms of GUI. It is the U-he synth I like by far the most, there is even some color coding. Of course it would be total overkill for my humble needs

In terms of user interface design, one of my favorite developers is Tone2, Saurus for instance, those are labels I don't mind reading. Or ElextraX v1, except for the heavy use of displays.

[fluffy_little_something]

Congratulations U-He and team.

Another great synth wins the FLS GOLD Seal of Disapproval.

Sorry to disappoint you again, I actually bought Hive, but sold it again, and not because of the GUI, but because of certain issues probably due to my computer. And when I get a new computer about a year from now, I might buy it again, if the compatibility issues are gone.

[pdxindy]

Congratulations U-He and team.

Another great synth wins the FLS GOLD Seal of Disapproval.

You forgot the word arbitrary in there

He gives examples of GUI's he says he likes that do exactly the thing he complained about in another one. Completely arbitrary and made up

[fluffy_little_something]

Congratulations U-He and team.

Another great synth wins the FLS GOLD Seal of Disapproval.

You forgot the word arbitrary in there

He gives examples of GUI's he says he likes that do exactly the thing he complained about in another one. Completely arbitrary and made up

That's not the case. Put the couple of GUIs we have mentioned here next to each other and you will notice the difference, if you are even remotely unbiased.