Bitwig Studio 4 announced (+beta available)!

[id4kvr]

WTF??? They list support for Apple Silicon as a major new feature for V4? That's beyond absurd!

I've upgraded my license just because of Native M1 version. And i know few people who did the same. So don't judge here by your own. For me this is the biggest feature in 4.0.

+1, that's a great job. Since no other DAW get the native support except Logic pro, very impressive!

[SLiC]

Sorry, but that's a silly discussion.

All DAWs that have thumbnails, can also do text search if you know what you need and need it quick ...

This might be true but FL Studio is the only DAW which did it right...

Too bad it got most everything else wrong

‘FL Studio type piano roll editing’ was one of the highest requested features for Bitwig! I get people don’t like the pattern based workflow, but the step and piano roll midi editing and full audio editing (with pitch and time correction etc.) are far superior to what Bitwig currently offers, I look forward to seeing how Bitwig handles this in the future...you can’t get it wrong if you don’t offer the features!

[machinesworking]

WTF??? They list support for Apple Silicon as a major new feature for V4? That's beyond absurd!

I've upgraded my license just because of Native M1 version. And i know few people who did the same. So don't judge here by your own. For me this is the biggest feature in 4.0.

+1, that's a great job. Since no other DAW get the native support except Logic pro, very impressive!

Reaper and FL Studio both have public betas of their M1 versions as well.

[wvshpr]

WTF??? They list support for Apple Silicon as a major new feature for V4? That's beyond absurd!

30%+ better native performance is not absurd, it is a selling point!

[antic604]

‘FL Studio type piano roll editing’ was one of the highest requested features for Bitwig! I get people don’t like the pattern based workflow, but the step and piano roll midi editing and full audio editing (with pitch and time correction etc.) are far superior to what Bitwig currently offers, I look forward to seeing how Bitwig handles this in the future...you can’t get it wrong if you don’t offer the features!

I was joking, if it wasn't obvious

I'm conscious of all the things FL does right (or the best, indeed!), but they're overwhelmed - for me - by overall disjointed, convoluted workflow and chaotic "look". But I'm paying close attention to v21, which will supposedly overhaul a lot of DAW stuff to bring it closer to "traditional" workflow.

[Dionysos]

‘FL Studio type piano roll editing’ was one of the highest requested features for Bitwig!

I always wonder what specifically people mean by that, btw. For me personally, the strength of FL's piano roll is directly related to its pretty non-standard "left-click-insert, right-click-delete" editing paradigm and the fact that all cursor thresholds (e.g. "when do resizing handles appear", "how do notes snap to the grid") are really well chosen, so editing feels very un-fiddly and doesn't require a lot of precision. And you generally don't need to switch tools to accomplish most editing operations, as there are modifier keys for almost everything.

Is that what everyone else is talking about when asking for "FL Studio type PR editing"? Is it just about polish, making editing "feel good"? Is it about the mouse button mapping? (Which would be hard for the devs to align with the existing control paradigms of Bitwig, unless they'd be happy to introduce severe inconsistencies between how notes are edited in the PR, and e.g. how clips are edited in the arranger. Or maybe a global "FL-style editing" switch would do the trick. )

In any case, it seems like an easy to ask for feature request, but a hard one to actually act upon for developers, I think.

[jens]

WTF??? They list support for Apple Silicon as a major new feature for V4? That's beyond absurd!

30%+ better native performance is not absurd, it is a selling point!

30% more? Depends what you compare it too, right?

[antic604]

WTF??? They list support for Apple Silicon as a major new feature for V4? That's beyond absurd!

30%+ better native performance is not absurd, it is a selling point!

30% more? Depends what you compare it too, right?

I'm assuming to emulated via Rosetta.
What other comparison makes sense in this context?

[SLiC]

‘FL Studio type piano roll editing’ was one of the highest requested features for Bitwig! I get people don’t like the pattern based workflow, but the step and piano roll midi editing and full audio editing (with pitch and time correction etc.) are far superior to what Bitwig currently offers, I look forward to seeing how Bitwig handles this in the future...you can’t get it wrong if you don’t offer the features!

I was joking, if it wasn't obvious

I'm conscious of all the things FL does right (or the best, indeed!), but they're overwhelmed - for me - by overall disjointed, convoluted workflow and chaotic "look". But I'm paying close attention to v21, which will supposedly overhaul a lot of DAW stuff to bring it closer to "traditional" workflow.

Yeh, I know, I still couldn't resit stickling up for FL Studio, its like the girlfriend you once had that no one else liked!

Currently I think FL is great in the same way Maschine or AKAI MPC sequencers is great - fast and fun at getting certain types of things done, if you are working in patterns anyway, its superb! I am all about vive la différence, may as well complain Renoise scrolls down, it is what it is!

As a side note, I didn't buy FL (or Reason) for the sequencer, I bought them as they run as VST plugin in any DAW and you get great vale and access to some amazing instruments and fx that you can't access any other way...but having used them I can now see why people really liked them as primary DAWS....

Linear DAWS all have some way of working in patterns or even in pattern mode, its just time for FL to add some way of working 'without' patterns! Once they do the the all plugin edition at around £340 will be quite attractive to many more people I think....

[wvshpr]

I'm assuming to emulated via Rosetta.
What other comparison makes sense in this context?

Correct!

[jens]

WTF??? They list support for Apple Silicon as a major new feature for V4? That's beyond absurd!

30%+ better native performance is not absurd, it is a selling point!

30% more? Depends what you compare it too, right?

I'm assuming to emulated via Rosetta.
What other comparison makes sense in this context?

Exactly.

[pdxindy]

Linear DAWS all have some way of working in patterns or even in pattern mode, its just time for FL to add some way of working 'without' patterns! Once they do the the all plugin edition at around £340 will be quite attractive to many more people I think....

If you want to talk about FL Studio, perhaps make a thread about it?

[Trancit]

‘FL Studio type piano roll editing’ was one of the highest requested features for Bitwig!

I always wonder what specifically people mean by that, btw. For me personally, the strength of FL's piano roll is directly related to its pretty non-standard "left-click-insert, right-click-delete" editing paradigm and the fact that all cursor thresholds (e.g. "when do resizing handles appear", "how do notes snap to the grid") are really well chosen, so editing feels very un-fiddly and doesn't require a lot of precision. And you generally don't need to switch tools to accomplish most editing operations, as there are modifier keys for almost everything.

Is that what everyone else is talking about when asking for "FL Studio type PR editing"? Is it just about polish, making editing "feel good"? Is it about the mouse button mapping? (Which would be hard for the devs to align with the existing control paradigms of Bitwig, unless they'd be happy to introduce severe inconsistencies between how notes are edited in the PR, and e.g. how clips are edited in the arranger. Or maybe a global "FL-style editing" switch would do the trick. )

In any case, it seems like an easy to ask for feature request, but a hard one to actually act upon for developers, I think.

In one point you are right...
FL Studio´s PR simply works well... based on how snapping, tools, modifier keys etc... are chosen...

But you are missing the perhaps most powerful features as there are slide notes, note colors (which are far more than just colors) and first and foremost the absolute brilliant tools like chop, arpeggiate etc...

There is not a single DAW out there which can compete to these PR tools even the sligthest bit...

These points together what you mentioned gives the user a package which blows everything out of the water...

Of course these are completely useless for the "boring" people... hit record, play in something, perhaps quantize and that´s it in terms of editing...
But for all kinds of creative producers they are a godsend!

[xbitz]

^^^ not so simple for ex. in Bitwig can be created pretty cool chord processors from chained note echo devices and note counting modulators

which can't be done in FL AFAIK, so can be creative in BWS too just on a different level

[machinesworking]

Of course these are completely useless for the "boring" people... hit record, play in something, perhaps quantize and that´s it in terms of editing...
But for all kinds of creative producers they are a godsend!

I think this is the first time I've seen "Producer" editing in the piano roll portrayed as superior to being able to play an instrument. In DP forums I see a lot of the opposite, so it's interesting to see that's all.