Ableton Live 11

[Dirtgrain]

To get a small bit of silence before a song's sound starts after pushing play, I have been selecting all of my tracks and dragging them over a bit in the timeline before exporting. Is there a built-in feature in Live to automatically add a bit of lead-in silence when exporting?

[whyterabbyt]

Its also worthwhile noting that offline processing system as introduced in VST2 operated very differently from block-based realtime processing, to the point where the actual communication methodology between plugin and host is altered.

The plug-in controls reading/writing of audio samples by sending commands to the host
(this approach is the reverse of the mechanism used in the real-time interface

[Autobot]

To get a small bit of silence before a song's sound starts after pushing play, I have been selecting all of my tracks and dragging them over a bit in the timeline before exporting. Is there a built-in feature in Live to automatically add a bit of lead-in silence when exporting?

Edit: Got your question wrong in the first place anyway: no, there is no feature like that.

[Ikaz7]

Are you serious?

Why would I not be? Check old VST2 documentation or any of the existing developer threads about the offline processing flag. Look for the one that points out that at the time of writing the only bit of software, DAW or anything else, that uses the flag was Wavelab.

Why would anyone intentionally exclude DAW use, the most common use scenario?

Because it was specifically intended for audio editor use, the most common scenario for offline processing.

If you claim "it was intended for audio editors" than you have to point to a source that supports your assumption.

Its the VST2 documentation.

Plugin developers apparently disagree with you too, since they don't intend their plugins to be only used with "audio editors", but not DAWs.

How does that change what the flag was intended for? The use of something and the intended use of something are not the same thing.

You do know that there's tons of stuff that VST2 plugins implement that Steinberg didnt intend developers to do, dont you? And that they used those 'misuses' to justify those things being rolled into VST3 as 'new features'.

All in all I would give you 1/10 points on a credibility scale for that statement.

Irrelevant. Its still a fact.

You seem argumentative and unconstructive.

Whether the "offline flag" was originally inteded to be implemented into Wavelab, is largely irrelevant today. As said before: many plugin developers have added the offline oversampling feature to their plugin the largest chunk of their user base are most likely DAW users, not Wavelab users, not Audacity users and not Adobe Audition users.

Inquisitive as I am, I just checked the VST2 documentation by Steinberg (Steinberg VST 2.0 SDK): nothing in the offline processing chapter indicates that this feature is supposed to be reserved exclusively for Wavelab.

Then there is the issue that we live in the age of VST3 and in fact (as mentioned before) this issue affects only VST3 plugins in Ableton. Ableton DOES use the offline processing flag when using VST2 plugins. Newer developers won't support VST2, since it's discontinued and no longer accessible. VST3s also have the potential to save CPU when idle (I don't know whether Ableton has this implemented correctly, I might look into it at another time).

So, originally intended for "audio editors" or not in 1999 when the VST 2.0 SDK was written, a modern day DAW not supporting offline oversampling is definitely unexpected and unfortunate. It's a shortcoming, one that should be addressed.

[Autobot]

Hey guys: there is an appropriate thread for you to argue: viewtopic.php?t=581067

[whyterabbyt]

You seem argumentative and unconstructive.

Less so than you. you're arguing with basic facts, based entirely on what you think should be true rather than what is.

Whether the "offline flag" was originally inteded to be implemented into Wavelab, is largely irrelevant today.

Ah, so you've gone from being argumentative as to whether its true, to argumentative as to whether its relevant what the offline API was for.

As said before: many plugin developers have added the offline oversampling feature to their plugin the largest chunk of their user base are most likely DAW users, not Wavelab users, not Audacity users and not Adobe Audition users.

That's all completely irrelevant to what I said.

Inquisitive as I am, I just checked the VST2 documentation by Steinberg (Steinberg VST 2.0 SDK): nothing in the offline processing chapter indicates that this feature is supposed to be reserved exclusively for Wavelab.

Another strawman; no-one claimed it was reserved exclusively for Wavelab.

[whyterabbyt]

ikaz7; dont PM me again. your dogmatic ignorance doesnt interest me in the slightest.

[legendCNCD]

To get a small bit of silence before a song's sound starts after pushing play, I have been selecting all of my tracks and dragging them over a bit in the timeline before exporting. Is there a built-in feature in Live to automatically add a bit of lead-in silence when exporting?

Use loop area tool, make it a bit bigger than your track, render wave. Now you have lead and after silences.

[nanostream]

To get a small bit of silence before a song's sound starts after pushing play, I have been selecting all of my tracks and dragging them over a bit in the timeline before exporting. Is there a built-in feature in Live to automatically add a bit of lead-in silence when exporting?

Use loop area tool, make it a bit bigger than your track, render wave. Now you have lead and after silences.

There’s the cmd/ctrl-I shortcut to insert silence.

[ssl4000]

another f..ng useless beta with controller script fixes jesus christ... who needs stable release with proper plugin folder scanning

[EnochLight]

[legendCNCD]

To get a small bit of silence before a song's sound starts after pushing play, I have been selecting all of my tracks and dragging them over a bit in the timeline before exporting. Is there a built-in feature in Live to automatically add a bit of lead-in silence when exporting?

Use loop area tool, make it a bit bigger than your track, render wave. Now you have lead and after silences.

There’s the cmd/ctrl-I shortcut to insert silence.

In 10 too? Hm gotta check, thanks.

[Rastkovic]

I just ran-thru the release notes on v.11.1 and wow ; just wow
Have been playing with a set for a couple of days now and really digging the clip enhancements and updated filters
Sounds great here
peace

Same, I've started working again in Live with this update. It's just feeling more like a cohesive system. One of the things that kept me away from Live was it's high CPU use, but the M1 here relives that, so all of a sudden it's flying. Granted my other computer is a ten year old Xeon chip.

Yesterday I also switched from Live 10 to Live 11. A whole year after I bought my 11 license....

I decided to go back to Live 10. I have no interest in being an unpaid beta tester for Ableton.

[jonljacobi]

We're all beta testers all the time these days. And the improvements in 11 are well worth it to me.

[Rastkovic]

Yes, of course. You have to make a decision. I don't really need the MPE and probability stuff, so I'm fine with Live 10....