KVR Audio

legendCNCD · Post by **legendCNCD** » Mon May 02, 2022 4:38 pm

Live 12 should have same kind of wav background recording as it has for midi - that would solve a lot of live instrument session take problems

jules99 · Post by **jules99** » Wed May 04, 2022 1:29 pm

As amazing as that would be, I'd imagine that background recording of all audio would introduce a host of issues with running out of disk space and CPU spikes being the biggest ones. Also, given that Ableton has never solved their 2/4 gb audio export limit, it might not be possible at all until they solve that.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Wed May 04, 2022 6:08 pm

jules99 wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 1:29 pm As amazing as that would be, I'd imagine that background recording of all audio would introduce a host of issues with running out of disk space and CPU spikes being the biggest ones.

Why would there be a CPU spike if the system can already record that audio when actually, well, recording?

As for space, buffering 1 minute of CD quality audio (44K/16bit) takes up about 10Mb, and 1 minute of stereo 24-bit audio at 96K takes up about 30Mb.

So, lets assume the buffering algorithm was dumb as f**k, didnt cache through RAM, and kept going when there was silence. And lets say you had 32 inputs, with 24-bit/192Khz you wanted to record. I could spare 5Gb of disk space for a 5 minute recording buffer of all that, couldnt you? That's about 50 pence worth of storage based on the current cost of a 512Gb SSD.

legendCNCD · Post by **legendCNCD** » Thu May 05, 2022 6:31 pm

Yeah it would be "nothing" for the current PC's with nvme ssd's etc.

It would solve a lot of session takes as I said, because when rec goes on, the artists get stiff and we would now already have the take in automatically. Last time this would have saved at least half a day.

jules99 · Post by **jules99** » Fri May 06, 2022 1:31 pm

If it would be nothing, there would be a DAW already with background audio recording. MIDI background recording has been around for at least ten years, so it was Ableton being a bit late to the game.

Of course, it would be amazing to retroactively catch any audio recording.

apoclypse · Post by **apoclypse** » Fri May 06, 2022 1:44 pm

jules99 wrote: Fri May 06, 2022 1:31 pm If it would be nothing, there would be a DAW already with background audio recording. MIDI background recording has been around for at least ten years, so it was Ableton being a bit late to the game.

Of course, it would be amazing to retroactively catch any audio recording.

Studio One already kind of does this. There is an option that gives you an audio buffer of up to a minute and if you hit play then record at some point it will have up to a minutes worth of pre-recorded audio. I'm sure that Ableton could do the same. They can have a buffer of up to a certain time (a minute for example), where it just records inputs on an armed track.

zzz00m · Post by **zzz00m** » Fri May 06, 2022 4:46 pm

apoclypse wrote: Fri May 06, 2022 1:44 pm
jules99 wrote: Fri May 06, 2022 1:31 pm If it would be nothing, there would be a DAW already with background audio recording. MIDI background recording has been around for at least ten years, so it was Ableton being a bit late to the game.

Of course, it would be amazing to retroactively catch any audio recording.
Studio One already kind of does this. There is an option that gives you an audio buffer of up to a minute and if you hit play then record at some point it will have up to a minutes worth of pre-recorded audio. I'm sure that Ableton could do the same. They can have a buffer of up to a certain time (a minute for example), where it just records inputs on an armed track.

Igro · Post by **Igro** » Fri May 06, 2022 7:02 pm

What Ableton (and Bitwig) is really missing - the resizable built-in plugins.

jules99 · Post by **jules99** » Tue May 10, 2022 6:17 am

zzz00m wrote: Fri May 06, 2022 4:46 pm
apoclypse wrote: Fri May 06, 2022 1:44 pm
jules99 wrote: Fri May 06, 2022 1:31 pm If it would be nothing, there would be a DAW already with background audio recording. MIDI background recording has been around for at least ten years, so it was Ableton being a bit late to the game.

Of course, it would be amazing to retroactively catch any audio recording.
Studio One already kind of does this. There is an option that gives you an audio buffer of up to a minute and if you hit play then record at some point it will have up to a minutes worth of pre-recorded audio. I'm sure that Ableton could do the same. They can have a buffer of up to a certain time (a minute for example), where it just records inputs on an armed track.

Interesting! It does run while the arrangement is playing and while that is no "Capture" for audio it seems a big step in the right direction. With "Capture" Live not only continuously monitors any MIDI input at any time, regardless of whether the project is playing or not, it also calculates the BPM of what you played. I imagine that to be difficult depending on the audio source material.

Again, given the audio file size limitations that are baked into Live's code, I would assume that they first need to fix that before a feature like audio "Capture" is possible. I'd love to be wrong, though.

ReleaseCandidate · Post by **ReleaseCandidate** » Tue May 10, 2022 6:44 am

jules99 wrote: Fri May 06, 2022 1:31 pm If it would be nothing, there would be a DAW already with background audio recording.

There are. Tracktion Waveform has it since quite some time, Digital Performer has added it with 11.

jules99 · Post by **jules99** » Tue May 10, 2022 10:56 am

legendCNCD wrote: Mon May 02, 2022 4:38 pm Live 12 should have same kind of wav background recording as it has for midi - that would solve a lot of live instrument session take problems

Coming back to the post that started it. Yes, there are DAWs with background audio recording, while playback is running.

"Capture" in Live buffers even when playback is not running. And also calculates the tempo of what was played. That is not something that any of the DAWs that were mentioned do.

It would be amazing to have an audio-version of Capture. Even if it was only the way that DP 11 and Tracktion do it.

WatchTheGuitar · Post by **WatchTheGuitar** » Tue May 10, 2022 11:10 am

Hmmm, I could see a few issues in studio control rooms with bands relating to privacy and 'nerves' if everything they did was being recorded all the time whether they knew it or not. I guess it'd be a useful function if it could be turned off.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Tue May 10, 2022 11:14 am

WatchTheGuitar wrote: Tue May 10, 2022 11:10 am Hmmm, I could see a few issues in studio control rooms with bands relating to privacy and 'nerves' if everything they did was being recorded all the time whether they knew it or not. I guess it'd be a useful function if it could be turned off.

I wouldnt expect that feature to be endless, just a rolling buffer of, say, a couple of minutes.

kmonkey · Post by **kmonkey** » Tue May 10, 2022 11:17 am

Igro wrote: Fri May 06, 2022 7:02 pm What Ableton (and Bitwig) is really missing - the resizable built-in plugins.

You can go to Ableton options and increase interface scaling. You can have plugins as big as half screen. You probably want undocked resizeable plugins.

legendCNCD · Post by **legendCNCD** » Tue May 10, 2022 11:53 am

whyterabbyt wrote: Tue May 10, 2022 11:14 am
WatchTheGuitar wrote: Tue May 10, 2022 11:10 am Hmmm, I could see a few issues in studio control rooms with bands relating to privacy and 'nerves' if everything they did was being recorded all the time whether they knew it or not. I guess it'd be a useful function if it could be turned off.
I wouldnt expect that feature to be endless, just a rolling buffer of, say, a couple of minutes.

Yeah and most of the artists seem not to know even the MIDI capture in live, so it would be nice for wav input too. The 'nerves' part is which seems to destroy most of the performances and the "rec takes" are much worse usually than what was taken before "in secret" for MIDI.

I usually try to push rec all the time but its not always possible, even when we are still trying sounds etc. when there is extra performer doing guitar/violin/... stuff for us.

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