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topaz · Post by **topaz** » Sun Aug 03, 2014 2:16 pm

No automation exposed to host ?

C'mon this is not hardware.

Peter - IK Multimedia · Sun Aug 03, 2014 2:16 pm

One of the standouts that I don't see discussed here, too, is the Bass category that seems to get raves:
http://soundcloud.com/ikmultimedia/sets/st3-bass

Pianos are very well-received too:
http://soundcloud.com/ikmultimedia/sets/st3-piano

Peter - IK Multimedia · Sun Aug 03, 2014 2:18 pm

topaz wrote:No automation exposed to host ?

C'mon this is not hardware.

It may not be the implementation you were looking for but there was a fix related to automation in certain hosts and if you have an issue and/or request in this area you can elaborate to our support team who would be happy to help you: http://www.ikmultimedia.com/contact-support

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Sun Aug 03, 2014 2:22 pm

Taste is really personally.
That you believe the Beauty party of 'Beauty and the Beast' and the piano and cello in 'Everybody Lies' are showcase worthy says it all for me. I really do have completely different aesthetic taste than IK Multimedia and "most other SampleTank 3" conversants.
These sound really horrible to me in 2014, like really bad.

I am curious to know what instruments if any, does Peter/IK MultiMedia consider as ST3's competition?

For me, I imagine the competition would be other workstations. Halion Sonic (2)/Halion, Nexus 2, Modern day Kontact Libraries.

rsp

topaz · Post by **topaz** » Sun Aug 03, 2014 2:24 pm

It has nothing to do with " hosts" peter, automation parameters are not exposed to host as far as I can see.

Most plugins send knob and slider data to the host but sampletank 3 seems not to.

Try it in live, hit record and turn some knobs, nothing here making is useless with any. 2 way controller.

mhog · Post by **mhog** » Sun Aug 03, 2014 2:33 pm

IMO Sampletank should be more promoted for its "few mbs" good sounds, rather than for the 1.5 gb piano, which is quite good but not enough for the purists and/or the haters, who will always react like "oh, but the pianoteq realism", "oh, but the 20gb dedicated piano in Kontakt" and such. As a result, the more usable pianos in Sampletank are the fakey ones, like "dance piano", "toy piano" etc. which get loaded in one second. Sampletank's force is in multi+efx, not in singular patches. It's very similar to Alchemy.

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Sun Aug 03, 2014 4:08 pm

mhog wrote:IMO Sampletank should be more promoted for its "few mbs" good sounds, ..... .............

but in a 64bit world and if ST3 did streaming that would be moot.
rsp

Peter - IK Multimedia · Sun Aug 03, 2014 4:18 pm

I was placing them in contrast to single-instrument quick demos of certain solo vocals that were placed in this thread as showcases, zvenx. Our demos (some of which I posted after) are what we consider the showcases as well as the sounds that will be included with the free version coming soon which can be used to actually play the sounds yourself. SampleTank 3 is good at what it does, the sounds are quite a step up, the effects are top-shelf, and we're proud of it. I understand there would be some negative aspects focused on here, what with the anticipation and like I said everybody is entitled to their opinion.

topaz - I understand and still ask that you report that you feel this is not the way you think ST3 should work directly if you'd like to put more weight behind your request. Your choice, though.

SampleTank 3 is an evolution of the powerful workstation that its previous versions were too. The workflow, sounds, effects, and engine are something that we're very proud to bring to you as a step up from previous versions. If it does not fit into your arsenal of tools, that's cool.

el-bo (formerly ebow) · Sun Aug 03, 2014 4:27 pm

Peter - IK Multimedia wrote:SampleTank 3 is an evolution of the powerful workstation that its previous versions were too. The workflow, sounds, effects, and engine are something that we're very proud to bring to you as a step up from previous versions

had they got you to write the marketing blurb, there might not be so much mismatch between expectation and realisation

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Sun Aug 03, 2014 4:34 pm

Peter still curious to hear, if you can what you guys consider the competition.

rsp

Burillo · Post by **Burillo** » Sun Aug 03, 2014 4:35 pm

Peter, how did you manage to not record a sax patch with vibrato?

that's like an all-time classic sound, and SampleTank's own vibrato doesn't come even close to realism, so solo sax is all but unusable...

topaz · Post by **topaz** » Sun Aug 03, 2014 4:47 pm

Host automation should not be a feature request it should just be.

I don't know of any modern plugins that do not support host automation.

Peter - IK Multimedia wrote: topaz - I understand and still ask that you report that you feel this is not the way you think ST3 should work directly if you'd like to put more weight behind your request. Your choice, though.

mhog · Post by **mhog** » Sun Aug 03, 2014 4:55 pm

How long will it continue?

I mean "the haters"

I am disappointed regarding the import functions, that is really too limited, it is not at all an "evolution" of ST2! In ST2 if I had two samples (e.g. C1 and C3), it stretched them along the keyboard automatically so that I had a C1-C3 extension. In ST3 it just imports two notes: C1 and C3! This means one can only build chromatic instruments, one note for one sample. Or did I miss smth?

Bombadil · Post by **Bombadil** » Sun Aug 03, 2014 5:21 pm

Peter - IK Multimedia wrote:I was placing them in contrast to single-instrument quick demos of certain solo vocals that were placed in this thread as showcases, zvenx. Our demos (some of which I posted after) are what we consider the showcases as well as the sounds that will be included with the free version coming soon which can be used to actually play the sounds yourself. SampleTank 3 is good at what it does, the sounds are quite a step up, the effects are top-shelf, and we're proud of it. I understand there would be some negative aspects focused on here, what with the anticipation and like I said everybody is entitled to their opinion.

topaz - I understand and still ask that you report that you feel this is not the way you think ST3 should work directly if you'd like to put more weight behind your request. Your choice, though.

SampleTank 3 is an evolution of the powerful workstation that its previous versions were too. The workflow, sounds, effects, and engine are something that we're very proud to bring to you as a step up from previous versions. If it does not fit into your arsenal of tools, that's cool.

I would be seriously embarrassed by those 'certain solo vocals,' Peter. The voices in Logic X are better, but that isn't saying very much. It amazes me how far you'll spin things to try to offset the obvious fact that ST3 is underwhelming, especially after '10 years in development.' To paraphrase Stephen King, 'Software instruments have moved on.' I really wish things were different, and I really wanted to love this software. The FX are good, but I have A3 and TrackS Deluxe. Once the dust has settled, and there's a stable ST3 that plays well with Logic and OSX, I will definitely be deleting a large amount of the new and 'improved' content, and use the space for something I'll actually use.

ontol · Post by **ontol** » Sun Aug 03, 2014 6:06 pm

I have sat out IK's rollouts since the big gear credit group buy many months ago. Bought a few pedals for my Amp3.

I get tempted by the hype, but don't buy in.

I have always ended up happy.

Love my Amplitube 3. Everything else seems not to hold up in my particular tastes. Seems this was another case.

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