MuLab 5.0.31 Test

[Nickl]

From time to time I copy automation track patterns from one session to another. In M4 patterns copied without a problem; in M5 patterns copy OK but also create a new, unwanted rack for each pattern copied. The automation track I copied just now has 8 patterns and so 8 new racks were created in the target session. How do I stop this happening please?

Point of clarification - when I say 'new' tracks, they are actually 8 copies of the target rack in the original session for track from which the patterns were copied.

[sl23]

bro, youre getting all annoyed for no reason here. this is what you get with a small developer--its a wonder jo has done what he has, MC is a big step and to support every hardware setup is impossible. its not his fault that your processor only has 2 cores when you thought it had 4, thats something you need to take up with the manufacturer. jo's design has nothing to do with that. meanwhile you could work with samples as they take much less power than a synth.

please dont hate us because we are rich! we worked hard to get like this! you can make music with what you have, you just need to be methodical. we were all there at some point. hyperthreading is a reality that is not well understood by consumers, apparently. a little research might have saved you from this predicament. there is still hope. it took jo a year or more to make MC a reality, perhaps in the same amount of time you could save up for an 8 core monster with all the trimmings... luckily technology moves fast and by tomorrow, todays computers will be obsolete and trade for pennies!

Thanks for the 'polite' comment DiGiT, sometimes I expect the opposite from you I don't hate you cos you're rich, I pity you! Money is a controlling force on this planet and you believe it's a necessity and you suffer with the responsibilities associated with that. But I respect that you've got where you have too, don't get me wrong.

You misunderstand me, I'm not getting angry, at least not like that. Not with the fact Jo hasn't 'done' enough, he's done a great job. But because he twisted my words and made out something I never said.

HT - understand, thanks for the expo. Samples aren't really my thing. Prefer synths. Everyone's been saying how good Core i5 is so I got another laptop, prefer them to desktop, but it's crap! But I decided it's a stop-gap, I plan on spending a lot more on the next one and get the highest spec I can. But that'll have to wait til I sell my house! Money is a burden and that's how I see it even though I've inherited it.

And, before you ask, the answers a BIG FCUK OFF NO! you can't have it

[MuTools]

You misunderstand me, I'm not getting angry, at least not like that. Not with the fact Jo hasn't 'done' enough, he's done a great job. But because he twisted my words and made out something I never said.

Just FYI: I think you misinterpreted my reply.

[MuTools]

I also wonder how to have all CC controllers accessible to me in the Automation Track that I do have available in the Event Graph Editor, like CC#4 Foot Controller. Instead, I only the Parameters Gain, some Pannings, and Mute...

At this point automation parts only automate parameters, not yet MIDI CCs. That's on the wishlist. Note that there is a MIDI CC generator module with 1 parameter: The CC value, and so when automating that parameter that module will output CCs. So maybe you can reach your goal that way.

Basically, it would be great if everything you can do in Event Graph Editor you can also do in the Automation track.

It would be nice if there was an option to just translate one CC into another without necessarily selecting a specific module

These FRs are on the wishlist.

And BTW: after I mapped my keyboards' Volume Slider (CC#7) to the Master Rack's Gain, this mapping does NOT show up in the MIDI Controller Map's list. It would be helpful if all user mappings that were done via RMB are visible there, instead of just the mappings that were done from that MIDI Controller Map's list itself.

MIDI CC mappings can exist on any modular level. If you map a MIDI CC by right-clicking a parameter, then the mapping is stored into the most relevant modular level, which not necessarily is the module itself. It all has to do with MIDI focus.

Imagine you have the MuSynth open and you would map CC1 to the cutoff of filter 1. Now this filter is a sub-module of the MuSynth and when the MuSynth is selected the MIDI focus goes to the MuSynth, not that specific filter sub-module and so the mapping wouldn't work. So in this case (right-clicking the parameter) the CC mapping is automatically stored in the MuSynth (or even the rack that contains the MuSynth) so the mapping is effective when you select the rack.

When you use the module's context menu -> Map MIDI Controller then you're effectively editing that specific module's MIDI map, no automatic re-leveling then. So you have different ways to use the system and can have full control while there also is some comfortable automatic.

Hope i explain well.

[MuTools]

From time to time I copy automation track patterns from one session to another. In M4 patterns copied without a problem; in M5 patterns copy OK but also create a new, unwanted rack for each pattern copied. The automation track I copied just now has 8 patterns and so 8 new racks were created in the target session. How do I stop this happening please?

Point of clarification - when I say 'new' tracks, they are actually 8 copies of the target rack in the original session for track from which the patterns were copied.

I know what you mean. At the same time it's also a feature! But i understand that there are also moments when a user just want to copy the part without its target module. I'm not sure how to offer the choice, will have to think about that, and it might be an aspect for M5.x. If you have suggestions let me know.

[> DiGiT <]

I don't hate you cos you're rich, I pity you!

wow well thats a bit twisted. and btw im not rich, i was playing into your assumption. i can haz ur moneys?

honestly i dont like how you are reacting to jo. i hope i got that across. i think youre being a bit inappropriate here. jo is quite generous and operates according to his own logic--to a fault even. i think he doesnt make malicious decisions wrt how he relates to others. why not give him some space? have you noticed thats what i have been doing? his implementation of MC wasnt made to single you out of the crowd. why dont you ask him how many hours he works in a week? also: do you have any mouths to feed besides your own? how do you think that changes things? honestly if you cant use M5 satisfactorily then youll just need to buy another machine, period. there is nothing else to argue about this point. its the same as if you were playing a video game but didnt have a fast enough computer... its on you bro.

[Nickl]

From time to time I copy automation track patterns from one session to another. In M4 patterns copied without a problem; in M5 patterns copy OK but also create a new, unwanted rack for each pattern copied. The automation track I copied just now has 8 patterns and so 8 new racks were created in the target session. How do I stop this happening please?

Point of clarification - when I say 'new' tracks, they are actually 8 copies of the target rack in the original session for track from which the patterns were copied.

I know what you mean. At the same time it's also a feature! But i understand that there are also moments when a user just want to copy the part without its target module. I'm not sure how to offer the choice, will have to think about that, and it might be an aspect for M5.x. If you have suggestions let me know.

I can see that it might be useful to be able to replicate an automation part and rack set-up, but not if the process results in separate copies of the original rack for each segment of the pattern copied. The segments were all selected and copied as a single action from the same track and pasted to a single track - if I had copied them individually, then I could sort of understand why a separate copy of the original rack was created for each segment.

[sl23]

Just FYI: I think you misinterpreted my reply.

Sorry, now I look back at it it's possible I did. As I said before it's so easy to misinterpret text sometimes.

wow well thats a bit twisted. and btw im not rich, i was playing into your assumption. i can haz ur moneys? Razz

Oh, I was under the impression you had a successful business? From earlier comments/posts. Oh, and er... did you miss this bit:

And, before you ask, the answers a BIG FCUK OFF NO! you can't have it

I'm curious why you think it's twisted? What's twisted is the fact people chase money to 'fulfill' their dreams! What's also twisted is how money creates soooo much crime, and people can't see how eradicating money would be the best thing for humanity. How many starve because people control them? Why? Power! Power that comes from money! Eradicate money they lose their power. Then there's the so called 'Drug Barons,' Eradicate money they stop pushing drugs, a complete solution for crime. But why don't you ask yourself why money exists in the first place? We CAN live without it but it would mean a MAJOR shift in who we are and how we see others. Money has made people selfish and corrupt. Can you, as a businessman, HONESTLY tell me you've NEVER abused your position and evaded tax or embellished your books somehow to gain more tax allowance? Sorry, I won't believe it for a second if you say no!

honestly i dont like how you are reacting to jo. i hope i got that across.

Not really no, but every time I got something to say, I'll run it by ya first, yeah

Oh, and yes I do have a family to feed but they don't mind not eating so I can get a better laptop shouldn't take more than a year to save up, they'll be fine!

[MuTools]

I can see that it might be useful to be able to replicate an automation part and rack set-up, but not if the process results in separate copies of the original rack for each segment of the pattern copied. The segments were all selected and copied as a single action from the same track and pasted to a single track

Ok i see and have taken note.

[megalodonnl]

Hope i explain well.

Yes, thanks.

[megalodonnl]

To sl23:

It will always help to install the OS from scratch instead of using a laptop as it was delivered with bloatware. Basically manufacturers make sure that hardware performs as slow as possible with all their bloatware.

And here's a guide to optimize win7 for audio: http://echoaudio.com/pages/faq

Dunno if you did these things already, but if you didn't; it will help to get a more responsive system.

[sl23]

Thanks. I've tried to do as much as possible. I even use portable software almost entirely to reduce installations 'corrupting' the registry etc. But I don't have a disc for win7 and even if I did, my laptop comes with built in hidden ssd for sleep only. I don't have the tech knowhow to get that working after a fresh install. I could probably figure it out if I had a win7 disc but I don't. Great advice though, thanks again.

[Crackbaby]

You guys makes all middle east conflicts look easy to solve...

..

I've had occasions where plugins has gone bonanza causing my computer to slow down with choppy mouse cursor and no response. When i manage to get the cursor on the off-switch of the plugin in question it will turn off after a few seconds and cpu meter goes back down. If i reload the plugin the problem seems to be gone. There's nothing special that i do that i can think of. It's not that im loading a certain plugin or that i maybe close a window but maybe only turning a knob or two.
It's hard to be specific but i can tell as much as that it has not happened with 4.x.
Is there a way i can put my system and mutools 5 to the test?

[sl23]

You guys makes all middle east conflicts look easy to solve...

btw 4x is a lager, ya won't get nothing to run on that!

[megalodonnl]

Feature Request for ML5: SHIFT+double click on part in Composer = Loop Selection for that part (= faster alternative for drawing selection on timeline).

This is especially handy when programming/editing drum parts.