New Wolfgang Palm (PPG Infinite) tool coming...

[pdxindy]

^^^ True. Most posts in this thread were trying to just understand this complex synth-- given the little information or time that PPG allowed-- not to celebrate it.
Perhaps Simon can post some of his "spectacular results" from Phonem+Infinite to get this thread on a more positive track

That would be nice.
Simon........

Well, if he doesn't I'm tempted to buy it and do it myself. I'm listening to the demos and this thing is even more intriguing than Infinite. As vocal synths go, this is hands down the best I've heard. Nothing else even comes close.

Phonem is my favorite vocal synth... and one of my favorite synths period... it can sound very realistic (for simple vocal sounds) and beautiful!

[wagtunes]

^^^ True. Most posts in this thread were trying to just understand this complex synth-- given the little information or time that PPG allowed-- not to celebrate it.
Perhaps Simon can post some of his "spectacular results" from Phonem+Infinite to get this thread on a more positive track

That would be nice.
Simon........

Well, if he doesn't I'm tempted to buy it and do it myself. I'm listening to the demos and this thing is even more intriguing than Infinite. As vocal synths go, this is hands down the best I've heard. Nothing else even comes close.

True. I demoed it but it was not my cup of tea and i like Infinite more but that could be of course a difference for you.
In general i think all PPG synths are fantastic but really complex to program and needs time to get into it.

I'm ultimately going to end up owning all his synths. The guy is really talented. There is no question about that. And the way everything works together is just so cool.

I admit that Phonem is a specialty synth. It's not going to be for everybody. But I am so into vocal synthesis (Long before I ever bought Vocaloid) that this thing will probably be my favorite of the 4.

What really made me love vocal synthesis more than any other kind was this song.



And this song



Of course Kraftwerk was the group that made me love electronic music over 40 years ago.

[pdxindy]

I admit that Phonem is a specialty synth. It's not going to be for everybody. But I am so into vocal synthesis (Long before I ever bought Vocaloid) that this thing will probably be my favorite of the 4.

It's a specialty synth in that it is deep and complex and not for many people I am sure... but sonically, it is really quite flexible. It can do way more than just vocal sounds.

[Sampleconstruct]

^^^ True. Most posts in this thread were trying to just understand this complex synth-- given the little information or time that PPG allowed-- not to celebrate it.
Perhaps Simon can post some of his "spectacular results" from Phonem+Infinite to get this thread on a more positive track

That would be nice.
Simon........

Some of the demos I posted in this thread use my own Phonem filters already, I found them spectacular enough to call them spectacular but will post more superspectacular supermegastuff as soon as I find some time in the fridge. And I won't post all my Phonem stuff here because these are in the Phonem threads.

[wagtunes]

I admit that Phonem is a specialty synth. It's not going to be for everybody. But I am so into vocal synthesis (Long before I ever bought Vocaloid) that this thing will probably be my favorite of the 4.

It's a specialty synth in that it is deep and complex and not for many people I am sure... but sonically, it is really quite flexible. It can do way more than just vocal sounds.

Oh I'm sure it can. But when you have a McLaren F1 you don't drive it to the corner store for milk. Why would I spend time making "common" sounds with Phonem when that isn't where it shines? I have plenty of synths to make that other stuff.

[SparkySpark]

One thing that I am surprised about. There is more discussion about this synth here than both Wavemapper and Wavegenerator combined. Go find their threads. I doubt either one made it to page 2.

I'm not saying this is going to be a 60 page thread but maybe one of this guy's synths will finally get the recognition it deserves in this place. Because for whatever reason, he seems to fly a bit under the radar.

Glad to see you're still standing, WagTunes. I thought all (relatively ) sane people were killed off in the DAW UI thread war yesterday.

I just listened to demos of all the PPG products. The one that impressed me the most was WaveGenerator, actually the first VSTi I've heard that reminds me of DM in the late 1980's. http://wolfgangpalm.com/wg.html . I thin kthis should be the most playable of the bunch.

I'm curious: you stated that morphing can be done using MUX. Is that an exaggeration? If not, then how?

Ciao!

[wagtunes]

One thing that I am surprised about. There is more discussion about this synth here than both Wavemapper and Wavegenerator combined. Go find their threads. I doubt either one made it to page 2.

I'm not saying this is going to be a 60 page thread but maybe one of this guy's synths will finally get the recognition it deserves in this place. Because for whatever reason, he seems to fly a bit under the radar.

Glad to see you're still standing, WagTunes. I thought all (relatively ) sane people were killed off in the DAW UI thread war yesterday.

I just listened to demos of all the PPG products. The one that impressed me the most was WaveGenerator, actually the first VSTi I've heard that reminds me of DM in the late 1980's. http://wolfgangpalm.com/wg.html . I thin kthis should be the most playable of the bunch.

I'm curious: you stated that morphing can be done using MUX. Is that an exaggeration? If not, then how?

Ciao!

Well, MUX is totally modular so you're limited only by your imagination and your CPU. I think the interface puts a lot of people off or it would be more popular than it is. It's got kind of a cartoon look to it for lack of a better word. And the workflow isn't the most elegant. Probably why I don't use it as much as other synths. But there is no question, the synth is very capable.

[SparkySpark]

Well, MUX is totally modular so you're limited only by your imagination and your CPU. I think the interface puts a lot of people off or it would be more popular than it is. It's got kind of a cartoon look to it for lack of a better word. And the workflow isn't the most elegant. Probably why I don't use it as much as other synths. But there is no question, the synth is very capable.

Yes sure, and it's also very, very light on the CPU. I'm just not sure if it can do morphing, but I'll ask around in the MuTools forum.

BTW, I recently proposed a free MUX Player, so that we can share our instruments and effects. That could potentially bring more interest in and knowledge about the concept.

Thanks!

[Sampleconstruct]

Found some spare time in the fridge and just made this:

First I re-synthesized a duduk phrase from one of my libs, then made an utterance chain in Phonem and exported that (since version 1.2 there is now a dedicated button in Phonem which will deposit the utterance chain in the .itvf-format into the Import-folder in Infinite, from there you move it into your user folder in the "resources"-folder, e.g. naming it "User Filter"), then imported that as a Molder-filter into Infinite Pro and played this live on video:

[pdxindy]

I admit that Phonem is a specialty synth. It's not going to be for everybody. But I am so into vocal synthesis (Long before I ever bought Vocaloid) that this thing will probably be my favorite of the 4.

It's a specialty synth in that it is deep and complex and not for many people I am sure... but sonically, it is really quite flexible. It can do way more than just vocal sounds.

Oh I'm sure it can. But when you have a McLaren F1 you don't drive it to the corner store for milk. Why would I spend time making "common" sounds with Phonem when that isn't where it shines? I have plenty of synths to make that other stuff.

Hey! I never said common... thems your words!

You called it a specialty synth so I pointed out for anyone reading that it is actually quite versatile and has broad sonic palette which goes way beyond vocal sounds. How you particularly want to use it is not pertinent to that point.

[pdxindy]

Found some spare time in the fridge and just made this:

Cool!

I've been using the Molder more than the Morpher... powerful tool!

[Sampleconstruct]

Found some spare time in the fridge and just made this:

Cool!

I've been using the Molder more than the Morpher... powerful tool!

Now one Molder for each morphing source would be killer, but let's not get carried away here...

[wagtunes]

I admit that Phonem is a specialty synth. It's not going to be for everybody. But I am so into vocal synthesis (Long before I ever bought Vocaloid) that this thing will probably be my favorite of the 4.

It's a specialty synth in that it is deep and complex and not for many people I am sure... but sonically, it is really quite flexible. It can do way more than just vocal sounds.

Oh I'm sure it can. But when you have a McLaren F1 you don't drive it to the corner store for milk. Why would I spend time making "common" sounds with Phonem when that isn't where it shines? I have plenty of synths to make that other stuff.

Hey! I never said common... thems your words!

You called it a specialty synth so I pointed out for anyone reading that it is actually quite versatile and has broad sonic palette which goes way beyond vocal sounds. How you particularly want to use it is not pertinent to that point.

Well you see, with so many synths that can make just about any sound imaginable, yes, other than vocal sounds, I consider those common. I'm sure this broad palette, outside of the vocal sounds, can be duplicated by other synths. IMO, that makes them common. Doesn't mean the sounds are bad. But if I'm going to buy something like this, I'm not going to make those broad palette sounds that I can make with other synths.

Others can use this synth how THEY choose, and if that means not making ANY vocal sounds, that's fine too. The great thing about synths like these is that they ARE so versatile.

Look, the new Aparillo can do bass, pluck and other "bread and butter" sounds. But why would I waste my time making those sounds when Aparillo excels at making atmospheres and overall strange stuff? I have other synths to make bass and plucks and whatever.

Just to be clear. I'm not arguing that what you're saying is incorrect. I'm just saying that for me personally, it's immaterial. The broad sonic palette doesn't interest me. All I want to do is make vocal sounds with it. Your pointing out what it "can" do, while nice, doesn't pertain to my intended use of the synth.

But I'm sure others will be happy to know that Phonem can do lots of other things. For those people it will provide them a wider range of use for the synth. But I was only speaking for me. And for me, anything other than vocal sounds are common sounds.

[pdxindy]

Found some spare time in the fridge and just made this:

Cool!

I've been using the Molder more than the Morpher... powerful tool!

Now one Molder for each morphing source would be killer, but let's not get carried away here...

That is a bit carried away... I love it!!

[ZeePok]

I agree. I was not impressed by Aparillo. Then it clicked with me and i love it but again after some time it was just a kind of first wow effect and i find Infinite Pro more interesting and it has more of that high fidelity in the sounds.
Anyway they are so different like a dog and cat. I prefer cats while other like dogs.

I think Aparillo will disappear fast... it's gimmicky and low sound quality. It seems like fun because of the orbit thing...

I find what Wavemapper 2 does with its Map page much more interesting... if only the morph speed could be slower

 
I can assure you that it's very well possible (and easy) to make beautiful smooth sounds with Aparillo!