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daGuru · Post by **daGuru** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 5:48 pm

I stopped listenin' to Squid's hype straight after I found out he wasn't a guitarist

That was about 130 pgs ago.... LOL

Squids · Post by **Squids** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 6:16 pm

An engineer and producer knows a great guitar sound as much as a guitarist, daGuru. Maybe more because they know it also from the perspective of recording it as well! (and AT2 even has mic modeling). Plug-ins are used more in the recording environment than say live club dates.

I have always said it is a matter of opinion anyway. Mine comes from one who has worked in a lot of studios and around a lot of recording sessions and producers (please don't make me name drop...or the wrath of Squids name dropping will be unleashed! lol just kidding)... some find my perspective to be interesting at least. I also work with sound recordings every day for a living and collect vintage stomps and amps for recording great guitar players that I work with. If that's not good enough for you, sorry. I always say take whatever everyone says with a grain of salt and judge for yourself anyway.

And as for Fritz, your post sounds like you are still connected with NI (as you had stated before). In fact, it even sounds very competitive! I don't know what you stand to gain or what your motives are but you seem to want to be in "attack-mode" directly toward me. I thought we were talking about the plug-ins, not the people that are talking about the plug-ins.

Anyway, I am dealing with some more important things than to get trolled in personally. If you think GR2 is better (biased or not) then good for you! I think quite the opposite (admitedly biased, but also even if I wasn't!). To each his own.

daGuru · Post by **daGuru** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 6:23 pm

May I then be so bold, as to ask you what type of bands/styles you've recorded over the years? Point to examples of their works

fritzman · Post by **fritzman** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 6:53 pm

Squids wrote: And as for Fritz, your post sounds like you are still connected with NI (as you had stated before). In fact, it even sounds very competitive! I don't know what you stand to gain or what your motives are but you seem to want to be in "attack-mode" directly toward me. I thought we were talking about the plug-ins, not the people that are talking about the plug-ins.

What should I talk about this plugin? It's not available yet so I talked about WHAT is evident to me until now. I said that the audio examples do sound mediocre. There you've got it: I talked about that plugin. OK?

But about you Squids: what you did so many times in this thread and in a few others I read:

1. WOW! Our products are SOOOO great! (No prob, that's cool)

2. Anybody comes along and says something against it, You go: NO! You don't know what you're talking about. Our stuff is the greatest, I know my shit, I tought the Beatles to play the guitar (or similar), was backstage with the Stones, etc.

3. You go in "Hey, i'm such a nice guy!" mode. You know I'm such a nice guy, don't you?

What my motives are? I can tell you. I hate it when people come here and lift their opinion above the opinions of others by saying things like: Don't believe anybody else. I was there!" This is bullshit!
I hate it when people sting at others and then say "I'm so peaceful" and then "Oh, I'm going to a funeral." That's cheesy at best. Nobody would say something against you because you're in such a sensible mood while you were shredding down other peoples opinions.
You do know that Jeff is a respected guitar player and he is very balanced in his talking about products. He doesn't bash people or products. On contraire you bashed people in a poor way, in this thread. We had that before.
NI: No man. I'm my own boss. I didn't talk to the nice NI guys for three years or so. But it's boring to have to convince the master convincer himself. Uncool.

Squids wrote: Anyway, I am dealing with some more important things than to get trolled in personally. If you think GR2 is better (biased or not) then good for you! I think quite the opposite (admitedly biased, but also even if I wasn't!). To each his own.

Where did I say that I like GR2 more than your product THAT I DIDN'T EVEN TRY YET??? I didn't even have a slight chance to check AT2 out yet. And no, I don't like GR2 very much. I didn't buy it and I don't own it and I don't plan to do so. Man, that is really rediculous.

And no, I'm not trolling you. I'm giving your over-the-top marketing style a notch back to reality. And I kept myself away from this thread mostly for the last weeks.

Best wishes, FRitz

Beardedone · Post by **Beardedone** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 6:58 pm

I stopped listenin' to Squid's hype straight after I found out he wasn't a guitarist That was about 130 pgs ago.... LOL

I must say that this comment is unwarranted. Please look in the man's credentials. AFAIC, as a user of Sonic Reality sounds I know that Squids' has the experience the good taste to know a a great guitar sound. Besides Squids started as a guitar player before moving to keys.

Sincere,
Gordon

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 7:00 pm

An engineer and producer knows a great guitar sound as much as a guitarist, daGuru. Maybe more because they know it also from the perspective of recording it as well!

I guess that matters more from generation to generation, but I would call that a fairly blanketed statement. Guitarists that grew up like I did (back when people thought electro-harmonix was garbage and not vintage) might have a lot to say to that...those who grew up with zoom pedals and presets fit well into that.

Myself I didn't have presets, no one told me how to get the sounds I liked. My dad and me built my first amp back in the early 70's from an old ham radio amp. Everything I learned about sound I learned the best way imo, through discovery. So I'm not sure if you would be qualified to tell me how to get the sound that I want better than me, no offense.

And as for Fritz, your post sounds like you are still connected with NI (as you had stated before). In fact, it even sounds very competitive! I don't know what you stand to gain or what your motives are but you seem to want to be in "attack-mode" directly toward me.

how did you arrive at that...in fact fritz imo is 100% right...I won't fork out cash before I try it...period...if you think there's something wrong with that, then I have to wonder what you are compensating for (again no offense intended), what don't you want me to find before I pay for it?...especially with software that I cannot return.

Again no attacks intended Squids, you are great, you field questions, you here often, truly very, very beneficial for all of us indeed. But if you start allowing your opinions to effect your objectivity you wont be doing any of us any good including yourself and your company..not that you're showing major signs of that...but here and there it does seem to pop up...

DotNoir · Post by **DotNoir** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 7:36 pm

Yiiihaaaaaw, fight, fight, fight...

Oh, they haven't announced the price of Stomp IO, have they? We're getting the AT2 "free" because we bought AT1 in the autumn, but the controller would be interesting as well... Oh, and _I_ do like the demos I've heard. We've used AT1 for some rock stuff and it has sat in the mix very well. But that's about it, I'm eagerly waiting for AT2...

tq · Post by tq » Wed Jan 25, 2006 7:43 pm

Squids wrote: By NAMM? No. By February? Yes. It isn't being released Feb 1st. But it will be released IN February. My guess is that will be toward the end of the month. Could be sooner. I doubt later at this point.

Also, FYI, when we do products like Sonik Synth 2 etc. we do presets all the way up to the last possible moment to give it as much as we can. I am sure making presets for AT2 can be an endless amount of fun! You'd have to pull me off of it! But, I am sure the users themselves will make a ton of presets they like as well. It really is so easy.

I think we'll keep going even after the powers that be say "stop". We'll do a special set of presets you can get exclusively from www.esoundz.com That way I can even take requests in the SR forum perhaps on certain sounds... see if I can nail it or not! Could be a fun thing actually.

Thanks for the clarification!

One more question regarding the free upgrade - I am also entitled to the free upgrade. Will I have to contact IKMM again, will they contact me, or will this be sent automatically to my postal address?

Cheers, TQ

Meffy · Post by **Meffy** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 7:50 pm

beergeek wrote:Wouldn't that actually be 2 & 3?

Yes, that would do too. In fact, the combination of a long nose and a shallow mug could achieve that effect with no added effort.

robogone · Post by **robogone** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 7:51 pm

Squids wrote:please don't make me name drop...or the wrath of Squids name dropping will be unleashed

Yeah, I heard you recorded the backing for the latest Richard Simmons fitness video...

Squids · Post by **Squids** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 7:53 pm

daGuru wrote:May I then be so bold, as to ask you what type of bands/styles you've recorded over the years? Point to examples of their works

Okay. Although, even without the list I think someone who works with this kind of gear in recording situations can still know a lot about a great guitar sound.

Bands and producers I've been in the studio or on the road with (either working with or hanging around learning from others who were working with). Many situations involving guitar amps, pedal effects, vintage keyboards and other fun stuff. To be clear so this isn't misunderstood, I am only answering this question and not implying that it means I am a hot shot or whatever. I won't have time to defend that one so if anyone knows where I am coming from then please make sure it is not taken the wrong way.

Neil Finn/Crowded House, Rolling Stones, Smashing Pumpkins, Black Crowes, Counting Crows, Sheryl Crow (lots of Crows

, Lyle Workman (guitarist for Sting, Beck), Jon Anderson (Yes), Peter Gabriel, Ziggy Marley, Lenny Kravitz, Bono/Edge, L. Shankar (Zappa & McGlaughlin), Kevin Gilbert, Keith Emerson (ELP), Jack Joselph Puig (Jellyfish, Goo Goo Dolls...), Bill Botrell, Robbie Shanks (Alanis, Etheridge), T Bone Brunette (Elvis Costello, Sam Phillips, Wallflowers), , Mitchel Froom, Tony Berg, Amie Mann, Jon Brion (Fiona Apple, The Grays), Chicago, EWF, Phil Ramone, Ringo Starr (Beatles), Mark Hudson, Mark Hart (Supertramp, CH) plus all kinds of R&B, Hip Hop, progressive rock and other stuff... but if I had a start to a "thank you" list of people I have learned about how to get a great guitar tone, vintage effect or other classic studio sounds from then these would be some of them.

I have been around some great recording sessions in LA and have picked the brain of a lot of engineers and producers so that I could get those kinds of sounds for my music or for our sampling company. I didn't even list the engineers I know like Dennis MacKay, Steve Miller, Ross Hogarth, Tchad Blake and other guys that between them all have worked with everyone from Alan Holdsworth to REM. I don't even think about this stuff anymore because I have been living and breathing music and sounds for so long. I guess I am lucky to have had those experiences. But, the way I look at it is that I put that to good use making sounds and presets for gear I like... so that others can benefit from my obsession with sounds.

Squids · Post by **Squids** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 7:54 pm

robojam wrote:
Squids wrote:please don't make me name drop...or the wrath of Squids name dropping will be unleashed
Yeah, I heard you recorded the backing for the latest Richard Simmons fitness video...

I don't put that one on my resume. If only he'd wear cooler shorts. Then MAYBE I'd be more proud.

Meffy · Post by **Meffy** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 7:59 pm

Squids wrote:Neil Finn/Crowded House, Rolling Stones, Smashing Pumpkins, Black Crowes, Counting Crows, Sheryl Crow (lots of Crows ;), Lyle Workman (guitarist for Sting, Beck), Jon Anderson (Yes), Peter Gabriel, Ziggy Marley, Lenny Kravitz, Bono/Edge, L. Shankar (Zappa & McGlaughlin), Kevin Gilbert, Keith Emerson (ELP), Jack Joselph Puig (Jellyfish, Goo Goo Dolls...), Bill Botrell, Robbie Shanks (Alanis, Etheridge), T Bone Brunette (Elvis Costello, Sam Phillips, Wallflowers), , Mitchel Froom, Tony Berg, Amie Mann, Jon Brion (Fiona Apple, The Grays), Chicago, EWF, Phil Ramone, Ringo Starr (Beatles), Mark Hudson, Mark Hart (Supertramp, CH)

Ha! You didn't "point to examples of their works." Who are these so-called "Rolling Stones," anyway? One of those rocking teenage combos? Have they released any songs or been signed by a big label?

Squids · Post by **Squids** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 7:59 pm

fritzman wrote: And no, I'm not trolling you. I'm giving your over-the-top marketing style a notch back to reality. And I kept myself away from this thread mostly for the last weeks.

Best wishes, FRitz

YOU are reality? Fritz, please stop pointing your attacks at me. Talk about the plug-ins and what you know (which is obviously just NI stuff since you work(ed) for them).

You really ARE trolling, you just don't realize it maybe. I don't care to talk to you so stop trying to direct your comments to me.

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 8:04 pm

Meffy wrote:
Squids wrote:Neil Finn/Crowded House, Rolling Stones, Smashing Pumpkins, Black Crowes, Counting Crows, Sheryl Crow (lots of Crows , Lyle Workman (guitarist for Sting, Beck), Jon Anderson (Yes), Peter Gabriel, Ziggy Marley, Lenny Kravitz, Bono/Edge, L. Shankar (Zappa & McGlaughlin), Kevin Gilbert, Keith Emerson (ELP), Jack Joselph Puig (Jellyfish, Goo Goo Dolls...), Bill Botrell, Robbie Shanks (Alanis, Etheridge), T Bone Brunette (Elvis Costello, Sam Phillips, Wallflowers), , Mitchel Froom, Tony Berg, Amie Mann, Jon Brion (Fiona Apple, The Grays), Chicago, EWF, Phil Ramone, Ringo Starr (Beatles), Mark Hudson, Mark Hart (Supertramp, CH)
Ha! You didn't "point to examples of their works." Who are these so-called "Rolling Stones"

I don't know about you sometimes...where have you been? So-called Rolling Stones...c'mon man crawl out from under whatever rock you've been living under and get a clue....

everybody knows they did "papa was a rolling stone"...

Amplitube 2 Jimi Hendrix RELEASED this month!!!