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[Urs]

If you are talking about factory presets and commercial preset packs, i think that's because this sonic terrirory sells the best, not because the sound designers don't know how to make other sounds or because the interface or achitecture of the S-synths makes it too complicated.

It slowly dawns on me that forgoing velocity and aftertouch assignments sells best. But that is a concession to profit which I will never make.

This is quite puzzling how did you came to this conclusion.

Are you saying that presets in S-synths typically have velocity and aftertouch assigned? - I might have to recheck that then, because in my memory most presets hadn't.

(I haven't tried third party presets though)

[zvenx]

I think he means your 'sells best' conclusion.

rsp

[recursive one]

If you are talking about factory presets and commercial preset packs, i think that's because this sonic terrirory sells the best, not because the sound designers don't know how to make other sounds or because the interface or achitecture of the S-synths makes it too complicated.

It slowly dawns on me that forgoing velocity and aftertouch assignments sells best. But that is a concession to profit which I will never make.

This is quite puzzling how did you came to this conclusion.

Are you saying that presets in S-synths typically have velocity and aftertouch assigned? - I might have to recheck that then, because in my memory most presets hadn't.

(I haven't tried third party presets though)

TBH, i'm not much into presets. At least all three S-synths have velocity and AT as modulation sources.

Anyway, even if these assignements are omitted in the facotry presets I fail to see how it may positively influence someone's bying decisions

[zvenx]

I think he is saying it tongue in cheek.
rsp

[recursive one]

I think he is saying it tongue in cheek.
rsp

Maybe. You know, language barriers and all that

Anyway, for "DAW-based" music marco assignments are often more convenient than AT.

[chk071]

I wonder how popular AT is in general anyway. I know a lot of presets make use of it (yes, also in the "S-synths", even though mod wheel and velocity modulation seems to be more common), but, in low to mid price controllers, my experiences with AT have been quite sobering. It's not much fun really, with the implementation in most lower end controllers. The best i have experienced was in the M-Audio Axiom 2nd gen, but even there, you really had to press the keys hard to engage AT. In my Novation Impulse now, it is barely usable. And, frankly, i can't be arsed to use it much either. It's more of a player thing, i guess, for people who jam and play a lot on their keyboards.

[Urs]

I've become quite cynical. I think indeed that a considerable number of people prefer not-so-dynamic presets because they are easier to play, i.e. their lack of playing skills don't get in their way when demoing what a synth sounds like / can do for them.

[Elektronisch]

I have ZERO use of aftertouch, i dont even think i have ever expierienced this effect, because i own keybaord without AT. Maybe i had 10 years ago expierienced when i owned a bit advanced keyboard (M-Audio Axiom 49), but i knew sh*t about synthesizers.

[EvilDragon]

AT is love, AT is life.

[zvenx]

AT is love, AT is life.

Indeed.
rsp

[Cinebient]

I've become quite cynical. I think indeed that a considerable number of people prefer not-so-dynamic presets because they are easier to play, i.e. their lack of playing skills don't get in their way when demoing what a synth sounds like / can do for them.

What?
Next people won´t use velocity, modulations and FX.

[KBSoundSmith]

If you are talking about factory presets and commercial preset packs, i think that's because this sonic terrirory sells the best, not because the sound designers don't know how to make other sounds or because the interface or achitecture of the S-synths makes it too complicated.

It slowly dawns on me that forgoing velocity and aftertouch assignments sells best. But that is a concession to profit which I will never make.

This is quite puzzling how did you came to this conclusion.

This is pretty simple to me.

Most people making EDM and things along those lines aren't "musicians" per se. They don't play instruments or know music theory. They don't know how to use a piano or keyboard instruments -- they probably don't own a MIDI controller. They know nothing of the MIDI protocol. All of their notes and sounds are entered into their DAW via mouse, after self-teaching on most matters. This is a substantial portion of the market.

If presets require the use of velocity and aftertouch to sound good (reflecting a design bias in favor of traditional musicians), then those presets aren't going to sell well or sound interesting to EDM DAW clickers, since they are unlikely to be using either velocity or aftertouch when churning out a "banger."

Now I'm not judging this as good or bad -- just noting that it's an entirely different paradigm of music making and technology usage (one which u-he, in my estimation, is not disposed toward servicing).

[chk071]

Most people making EDM and things along those lines aren't "musicians" per se. They don't play instruments or know music theory. They don't know how to use a piano or keyboard instruments -- they probably don't own a MIDI controller. They know nothing of the MIDI protocol. All of their notes and sounds are entered into their DAW via mouse, after self-teaching on most matters.

It's amazing how widespread these kind of prejudices are here. And how is it a bad thing, or "unmusical" to enter your notes in your DAW? I thought that is what a DAW is there for. Maybe get down from your high horse, really.

[KBSoundSmith]

Most people making EDM and things along those lines aren't "musicians" per se. They don't play instruments or know music theory. They don't know how to use a piano or keyboard instruments -- they probably don't own a MIDI controller. They know nothing of the MIDI protocol. All of their notes and sounds are entered into their DAW via mouse, after self-teaching on most matters.

It's amazing how widespread these kind of prejudices are here. And how is it a bad thing, or "unmusical" to enter your notes in your DAW? I thought that is what a DAW is there for. Maybe get down from your high horse, really.

Allow me to quote myself:

"Now I'm not judging this as good or bad -- just noting that it's an entirely different paradigm of music making and technology usage (one which u-he, in my estimation, is not disposed toward servicing)."

[chk071]

Yet you claimed that "most people making EDM" aren't musicians, don't play instruments, or know music theory, probably don't own a MIDI controller, know nothing of the MIDI protocol, and enter all of tgheir notes into the DAW per mouse, after having self-taught themselves on most matter. But, i see, that is no judging if that is good or bad at all. I wonder how you know all these things though, if you're obviously so reluctant to the music, and people making it. I suggest you watch some of the producer videos, and teach yourself how much more most of those guys know about producing than many people around here.