Cubase 5: Why I switched (headquest)

[getthere]

I just don't iike Apples coporate tactics at all.

You said it, not me. I thought I was the only one!

[Uncle E]

Of course, but at least regarding efficiency, Logic can't be beaten for the time being.

How did you determine that? Cubase, Live, Reaper, and their respective plug-ins are generally exceedingly efficient.

[hibidy]

I just don't iike Apples coporate tactics at all.

You said it, not me. I thought I was the only one!

I don't like anyones corporate tactics, but apple is a#1 on that list......

or

+1

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[hibidy]

Logic 7.5

not to be picky, but wasn't 7.2.3 the last "logic pro" before 8? just wondering.

You may be right. But I still paid $1000 for it. Ahhhh! back in the day!

no, the logic sequencer program of the studio bundle is still very much called logic pro 8.

However, 7.5 was not the last version before 8.x........it was 7.2.3 which is all I was trying to say

[spaceman]

Of course, but at least regarding efficiency, Logic can't be beaten for the time being.

How did you determine that? Cubase, Live, Reaper, and their respective plug-ins are generally exceedingly efficient.

I've had Cubase, Live and Logic running on my MBP and I can assure you than Cubase and Live run like dogs with lead boots on OSX compared to Logic, internal plugs and 3rd party alike.

Cubase and Live on PC is a completely different matter.

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[Sascha Franck]

How did you determine that? Cubase, Live, Reaper, and their respective plug-ins are generally exceedingly efficient.

I've been doing tests myself. For instance, I had the same (3rd party) plugins with the same settings running under both Logic/Win and Cubase (SX2 I think), playing back the same MIDI file, etc. Logic won hands down. At low latencies (256 and below) the differences were astounding, I'd say something at least around the 30% marks, most likely more. And even at higher buffer settings, Logic still won.
And as said, that was using 3rd party plugins. It's a bit tough to compare the internal ones coming with either host, but something like over 1000 sampler voices on a rather mediocre Macbook 2.4 has to be considered to be quite something, no?
Really, in terms of efficiency at a) low latency performance and b) use of internal plugins, Logic really can't be beaten (ok, take the EVB3 organ out of that, it's a true CPU hog and the least optimized Logic plugin for whatever reasons).

- Sascha

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[The Chase]

I just don't iike Apples coporate tactics at all.

You said it, not me. I thought I was the only one!

I don't like anyones corporate tactics, but apple is a#1 on that list......

or

+1

Another +1, we were discussing this yesterday in the class I am posting from right now.

It really just makes apple look insecure and inferior to thinking people, when their entire advertising department is one giant smear campaign of Microsoft. Why can't they just advertise their own merits?

[pbognar]

Of course, but at least regarding efficiency, Logic can't be beaten for the time being.

How did you determine that? Cubase, Live, Reaper, and their respective plug-ins are generally exceedingly efficient.

I've had Cubase, Live and Logic running on my MBP and I can assure you than Cubase and Live run like dogs with lead boots on OSX compared to Logic, internal plugs and 3rd party alike.

Cubase and Live on PC is a completely different matter.

I've got some stupid questions:

My perception was that Cubase on Windows was less than terrific when compared to the Mac - is that still true, or has version 5 changed things?

Does Cubase 5 have anything like Logic's Touch Tracks or Chord Memory features?

Does anyone think that Steinberg will be offering competitive crossgrades to Cubase 5 any time soon?

Thanks

[TristezaOrange]

I just don't iike Apples coporate tactics at all.

You said it, not me. I thought I was the only one!

I don't like anyones corporate tactics, but apple is a#1 on that list......

or

+1

Another +1, we were discussing this yesterday in the class I am posting from right now.

It really just makes apple look insecure and inferior to thinking people, when their entire advertising department is one giant smear campaign of Microsoft. Why can't they just advertise their own merits?

Because then they'd have nothing to advertise? (just kidding people, don't jump on me! )

But seriously, it kinda is a smear campaign against Microsoft and I'm wondering how Microsoft puts up with it all this time. Very noble of them, I think.

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[egbert]

Why can't they just advertise their own merits?

Why did hundreds of adults drink cyanide laced Kool-Aid and pour it down their own childrens' throats in Guyana on the say so of one Reverend Jim Jones?

Cults don't run on rationality. Read W.R.Bion on Basic Assumption Dependency Groups.

[pbognar]

Of course, but at least regarding efficiency, Logic can't be beaten for the time being.

How did you determine that? Cubase, Live, Reaper, and their respective plug-ins are generally exceedingly efficient.

I've had Cubase, Live and Logic running on my MBP and I can assure you than Cubase and Live run like dogs with lead boots on OSX compared to Logic, internal plugs and 3rd party alike.

Cubase and Live on PC is a completely different matter.

I've got some stupid questions:

My perception was that Cubase on Windows was less than terrific when compared to the Mac - is that still true, or has version 5 changed things?

Does Cubase 5 have anything like Logic's Touch Tracks or Chord Memory features?

Does anyone think that Steinberg will be offering competitive crossgrades to Cubase 5 any time soon?

Thanks

1) absolutely not especially since SX3

2) Chord Memory? You mean the retrospective recording?

3) I'd say not for 5 from what I have read

re: #2 - just went on the Cubase forum and found that there is a MIDI plug called "Chorder". You click on a key on the onscreen keyboard which you'd like to have trigger a chord, which you also select from the onscreen keyboard. Sounds a bit clunky (not being able to define the attributes with your actual MIDI keyboard), but hey - I wish Sonar had it.

Touch Track like functionality would be being able to trigger different audio or MIDI segments with a MIDI note in real-time, giving you a little of the "Live" experience.