License model no way !!!

[Redukt]

"They never said it would be in v2.0.0 anyway, just that it would be within the 2.0 lifecycle. "

"So I'm pretty sure online collab and open modular system both aren't too far off. "

Ehmm... you are cherry picking; collaboration was actually promised in 2.0

Yeah, you're right - both were promised for version 2.

I just wanted to say even if they include both things with v2.9, it would still be in the v2 life cycle - splitting hairs, I know.

I still think the next year will be very, very interesting for Bitwig. I guess most are willing to pay a measly 160€ for the 2.0 Update - but if the devs fail to deliver promised features and fixes, a lot of people (me jncluded) will have a hard time renewing next February.
IMHO it all depends on what they're doing with their software the next 12 months.

[sleepystevo]

I have Live Suite 9 and Bitwig.. have been gravitating from one to the other over the last year, but I'm going to wait and see what Ableton 10 has in store before buying into anything new, as the likelihood is I will only be able to afford one or the other.

This licensing model does leave a sour taste in my mouth though. Having to pay €159 for a year of updates & bugfixes is a lot to ask of people, in my opinion. I know some people might think that €159 is a measly amount of money, but it really isn't, for many people! As a one-off payment for a complete version, that can be understood, but in 12 months we may only be on Bitwig 2.1 or 2.2...

[PHY6]

I should have abandoned ship when they introduced touch screen bullcrap, instead of basic functions like fades and crossfades.
At least I could get a good price for it.
Now my licence is basicaly worthless.

[greenfly]

The vast majority of people working in the IT field in my experience find it difficult to accept criticism from customers particularly when they have spent many late hours fixing bugs, developing new functionality, dealing with support requests etc. Developers and those in customer facing roles often make this mistake and it plagues those who are diligent and conscientious in their work moreso. From their perspectives the criticism feels unfair because the customer isn't aware of the time they have invested in the solution to make it a success. For the work put in, they expect a little gratitude from the customer base for hard work and effort. When this isn't forthcoming, the interaction between customer and vendor deteriorates to a point when eventually the customer ditches the product for something that just works.

Bitwig need to have a strong 2017 with the product performing strongly and new functionality introduced on a more frequent basis with minimal disruption due to bugs within their solution. This is the only plausible scenario for Bitwig going forward as it is more than likely that at least one of their major competitors will introduce a new version of their software which will impact Bitwig's marketing strategy should the product perform in a similar vein to v1.

[RichN]

I know some people might think that €159 is a measly amount of money, but it really isn't, for many people! As a one-off payment for a complete version, that can be understood, but in 12 months we may only be on Bitwig 2.1 or 2.2...

But they would lose sales then. By chosing this licensing strategy, Bitwig really put the pressure on themselves to release updates that make it worthwile for people to pay €159 each year. Because there's always the temptation of switching to another DAW, if it would offer comparable or better features, possibly for a better price. So it's not all negative, i.m.o.

For me the price to upgrade to 2.0 is worth it, given its features. Let's see how it gets developed further.

[steff3]

I know some people might think that €159 is a measly amount of money, but it really isn't, for many people! As a one-off payment for a complete version, that can be understood, but in 12 months we may only be on Bitwig 2.1 or 2.2...

But they would lose sales then. By chosing this licensing strategy, Bitwig really put the pressure on themselves to release updates that make it worthwile for people to pay €159 each year. Because there's always the temptation of switching to another DAW, if it would offer comparable or better features, possibly for a better price. So it's not all negative, i.m.o.

For me the price to upgrade to 2.0 is worth it, given its features. Let's see how it gets developed further.

They also put pressure on themselves with the announcements of the features in 1.0 -> did they live up to that ? Over which timespan?

[xx JPRacer xx]

It doesnt thin out whiners out! Will allwaays be whiners and it was just a few that suggested that! Obviosuly not me becuas the entire subscription baised service and change of plan is what piss me off

You're pissed off? Oh I didn't know. You should post it more often so people are aware... Continue like this and I wouldn't be surprised you get a temporary ban. You have the right to not like their decision and let them know, but posting the same shit over and over again and you just become a nuisance.

So... you want Coockie to have a ban because you don't agree with them? Or posting too much? I'd say you are out of control.

So... you have a reading comprehension problem? I said I have no problem and respect that he doesn't like the new pricing plan and he as the right to post its disappointment. But having to read to same rants over and over again is a annoying.

[Rappo Clappo]

@Racer

No worries. Well, basically I'm not against subscription, but but.... another subscription? It certainly adds up this way and I rather had seen -repeat, I know- a monthly subscription.

[Scotty]

If Ableton is watching this spells opportunity for them. They could offer cross grade incentives to Ableton Standard from BWS. If they charged the upgrade price.... with future access to Ableton 10 it would be my move.

[SpaceTraffic]

If Ableton is watching this spells opportunity for them. They could offer cross grade incentives to Ableton Standard from BWS. If they charged the upgrade price.... with future access to Ableton 10 it would be my move.

Interesting... thou many of us love bitwig for being bitwig and not being ableton.

[sawsq]

(...) and renew your license if we introduce a feature you are interested in.

@Dom: I'm pretty cool with the new model in general, but here's a question:
So, let's say I keep waiting for 3 or 4 years, happily using my increasingly outdated version, while you're adding new features, bugfixes, etc. Will the renewal after that time be 159€ still, and will I get all the stuff you added in between? I can't imagine this - what's the plan for this scenario?

[stamp]

(...) and renew your license if we introduce a feature you are interested in.

@Dom: I'm pretty cool with the new model in general, but here's a question:
So, let's say I keep waiting for 3 or 4 years, happily using my increasingly outdated version, while you're adding new features, bugfixes, etc. Will the renewal after that time be 159€ still, and will I get all the stuff you added in between? I can't imagine this - what's the plan for this scenario?

I'm curious, too.

[Coockie1176ln]

I have a question i want to clearify
https://www.kvraudio.com/news/bitwig-an ... io-2-35993

in the link above it says

"Alongside the announcement of Bitwig Studio 2 they are also introducing a new license model. Starting with the release of Bitwig Studio 2, you'll get 12 months of free upgrades and updates with your purchase. This plan also includes email support. After the 12 months, you can renew your upgrade plan at "an attractive and affordable price". More details at bitwig.com/en/17/new-license-model"

Specific this part (This plan also includes email support.)
So does that mean we have to be update subscribers to get email support as well? Couldnt find in the link they mentioned about it.

But guys i wont rant anymore so its cool just curious

[nbot]

There's another interesting question - can I resell the product after upgrading to 2.0? With 1.x I just pass the key to somebody else. How would this work for this new licensing scheme?

[Bidho]

i don't hate the license model. Just the price. 99 EUR would be fine. Also including supporting bug fixes etc to keep the product up and running.

You can say whatever you want, but it is some sort of subscription you offer.

i (and many other producers around me) really want to support your company ongoing as we like the product, but please be reasonable...

thanks for listening.