Super 8 - New polysynth by Native Instruments

[herodotus]

So many grumpy old men in this thread...

its the kvr way


"this is not something im interested in, therefore i must trash talk it!!!"

Its sort of the kvr version of "someone is wrong on the internet"

tweedle dum and tweedle dee.

i dont like this!

i like this!

let's battle!

Now, now.

I was trying to be nice.

[Stefken]

The more I read this thread, and the more I reflect on KVR in general, it seems that for certain people, other people are not allowed to have their opinions if they are contradictory to those same certain people's.

As Spock would say, fascinating, but totally illogical.

[Spencer Maddox]

It’s hard to deny that there isn’t an undercurrent of hipsterism present here though. U-he releases a simple one page synth that does absolutely nothing new in terms of synth evolution (hive) and we lap it up, NI does the same thing and the haterade starts flowing. Human nature.

Revisionism... Lots of people complained about Hive initially...

Hive also got better to be fair...
For me there was nothing in V1 That came out that convinced me. It was just an Emo looking Sylenth1.
Now its actually improved to a legitimately great product with V2 and now I'm seriously considering it

[Stefken]

There is another rule that can explain that success.
Companies that are the FIRST (and succesfull) in a certain business, tend to stay very succesfull for a long time (customer loyality or too lazy to change).

That's a new one on me, is there a common name for that rule?

Google, one of these companies, can surely tell you that.

[Spencer Maddox]

Double Post Lol. My Bad

[AnX]

parp

[pdxindy]

It’s hard to deny that there isn’t an undercurrent of hipsterism present here though. U-he releases a simple one page synth that does absolutely nothing new in terms of synth evolution (hive) and we lap it up, NI does the same thing and the haterade starts flowing. Human nature.

I understand your point, but I can't see this as a good comparison. Hive doesn't need Reaktor to work. One can launch Hive in a blink of an eye.

You can launch a Reaktor ensemble in 2 blinks of an eye, which is admittedly longer, yet still not something that I would get my panties in a bunch over.

I have a mild dislike for NI using Reaktor for all their synths too, but only because I tend to forget that they are there, not because its an enormous burden on the act of making music, it’s like one extra frigging mouse click.

It is more like 3 extra mouse clicks... but I don't care about the 3 extra clicks either...

It is the poor browser, poor preset handling, non resizable GUI, no MPE, inconsistent behaviors between ensembles such as many random parameters (Osc 1 PWM knob) not automatable in Rounds, or automation parameter names in Prism all starting with the same term so when you assign them to macros you get a whole bunch of macros with the same name... and so on. And of course there is a significant CPU hit, even without notes playing.

[AnX]

For a soft synth to be "authentic" does it have to be a direct emulation?

no, it can be vaguely authentic

[chk071]

Sure. They can. I wonder why there are so many people in this thread implying that they are wrong in advance, though.

I've hardly read a word saying NI is wrong... just personal opinions about a synth and Reaktor. My opinion may well be a tiny minority... it is still my opinion and I will base my buying decisions on it.

Which is great, and much more than i expect of many who post here regularly. I always advocated voting with your wallet, rather than voting with your mouth, and then buying the plugin anyway.

[chk071]

I know what i read on a daily base here. And then i take a look at how big and small the companies are. And laugh.

How very scientific of you. Meanwhile, continue in your fight to censor all contrary opinion.

That's a very nice way of defending self-entitled first world consumerism attitude.

[whyterabbyt]

There is another rule that can explain that success.
Companies that are the FIRST (and succesfull) in a certain business, tend to stay very succesfull for a long time (customer loyality or too lazy to change).

That's a new one on me, is there a common name for that rule?

Google, one of these companies, can surely tell you that.

Poor example; Google were a latecomer to the search engine field, and wiped out most of the companies that came before them.

[vurt]

So many grumpy old men in this thread...

its the kvr way


"this is not something im interested in, therefore i must trash talk it!!!"

Its sort of the kvr version of "someone is wrong on the internet"

tweedle dum and tweedle dee.

i dont like this!

i like this!

let's battle!

Now, now.

I was trying to be nice.

so was i

[Echoes in the Attic]

It’s hard to deny that there isn’t an undercurrent of hipsterism present here though. U-he releases a simple one page synth that does absolutely nothing new in terms of synth evolution (hive) and we lap it up, NI does the same thing and the haterade starts flowing. Human nature.

I understand your point, but I can't see this as a good comparison. Hive doesn't need Reaktor to work. One can launch Hive in a blink of an eye.

You can launch a Reaktor ensemble in 2 blinks of an eye, which is admittedly longer, yet still not something that I would get my panties in a bunch over.

I have a mild dislike for NI using Reaktor for all their synths too, but only because I tend to forget that they are there, not because its an enormous burden on the act of making music, it’s like one extra frigging mouse click.

It is more like 3 extra mouse clicks... but I don't care about the 3 extra clicks either...

It is the poor browser, poor preset handling, non resizable GUI, no MPE, inconsistent behaviors between ensembles such as many random parameters (Osc 1 PWM knob) not automatable in Rounds, or automation parameter names in Prism all starting with the same term so when you assign them to macros you get a whole bunch of macros with the same name... and so on. And of course there is a significant CPU hit, even without notes playing.

Exactly. There are plenty of issues with a synth being Reaktor based beyond an extra click to load. I save my templates in my host presets so that doesn’t matter at all. But I like to use automap for example and Reaktor ensembles are all the same plugin so you can’t map them differently. And then all the other stuff you mentioned like non resizable GUI etc which is getting pretty rare these days, mpe etc, so it’s weird for such a huge company with so much money to be kind of behind the times.

[Reefius]

Installed demo, played with it for about 10 minutes and uninstalled.

[pdxindy]

It is more like 3 extra mouse clicks... but I don't care about the 3 extra clicks either...

It is the poor browser, poor preset handling, non resizable GUI, no MPE, inconsistent behaviors between ensembles such as many random parameters (Osc 1 PWM knob) not automatable in Rounds, or automation parameter names in Prism all starting with the same term so when you assign them to macros you get a whole bunch of macros with the same name... and so on. And of course there is a significant CPU hit, even without notes playing.

Exactly. There are plenty of issues with a synth being Reaktor based beyond an extra click to load. I save my templates in my host presets so that doesn’t matter at all. But I like to use automap for example and Reaktor ensembles are all the same plugin so you can’t map them differently. And then all the other stuff you mentioned like non resizable GUI etc which is getting pretty rare these days, mpe etc, so it’s weird for such a huge company with so much money to be kind of behind the times.

If I want to use Kontour, Bitwig's modulation system doesn't work with it. Almost nothing in Kontour is automatable.

Down in the Devices pane, the Bitwig shell only says Reaktor 6 so if the GUI is closed, I don't know which ensemble is loaded.

There are lots of little oddities that hinder a smooth workflow.