9 year old Sylenth1 just keeps kickin

[wagtunes]

Well, if you know how to install loads of VSTs, and you know how to use a DAW to make music, then there is no reason you shouldn't know how to make an image of your Windows installation... If you were only using your PC to surf the internet and send e-mails, then I can understand now bothering to find these things out, but this is pretty basic stuff, especially for somebody who has bought so many VSTs... And it puts a lot of the things you have said in this thread into perspective...

This is the most convoluted logic I have ever heard in my life. There is absolutely NO correlation between installing a VST, which is usually just one dll file, and knowing how to make an image of your OS and install hardware.

I can't for the life of me how you can even equate the two, but whatever. Believe whatever you want.

Un-freaking- real.

[DodgingRain]

I don't see S1 as a bread and butter synth at all. It's actually fairly niche to EDM and only a certain subset of sounds in EDM. I don't think its worth list price either, there are other current synths for less that do the same set of sounds just as well like Hive.

What I find funny is that someone wouldn't pay full price for S1 but would for Hybrid 3. You can get a trigger finger pro new for just $30 more than the cost of hybrid 3 and it includes Hybrid 3 and a whole bunch of other stuff not to mention a decent hardware controller.

Nothing wrong with S1, I think it's pretty decent but I avoided it simply because of the lack of support and lack of development and their website looks really amateurish and their are equivalents for less if I need to do the stuff S1 is really good for.

Trying to deny that S1 is great for supersaws is silly, cause it is great and quick for that. Trying to do the samething on a v-station or something else takes a lot more work and time.

[2ZrgE]

Yes, 4 banks, most presets are not good, indeed. But they rarely are with any synth. There is a Jump pseudo-Oberheim patch, that really has little similarity to the original. Most brass patches with any synth have that ugly bump at the beginning, which should not be there. Sound designers should really spend some more time to get the envelopes right.
Most presets are also too loud. S1 is a terribly loud synth, insane output.

The existing ilters seem fine to me, especially the 24db one. A formant filter would be nice, though.

Skinning, well, I would not mind if the GUI were a bit bigger and the display controls more legible, but other than that I like it the way it is. I want to make music, not work as a designer.

Patch browser is good enough for me. What are you missing?

Personally I found the factory patches very usable, espcially for that kind of genre music S1 excels, for example Trance mockups and stuff.

I didn't say that I don't like the filters. But for sound diversity, why not having some more? I don't need 50+ as in other synths, but some more models would be nice to have.

I don't want to skin S1 myself either, but I'd like to change the skin with a click of the button.

Opening a patch file to have access to 128 presets is rather lame in 2015. Look at U-he's patch browsers for example, having access to all patches immediately is comfortable.

[2ZrgE]

Zebra is the fattest of all the synths. I just made a superaw the other day just using 4 oscillators and no filter that would blow you away. The sound is so big it's insane. Sylenth1 simply cannot get that big a sound. If you want, I'll make a quick audio of the patch and upload it if there's a way to do that.

I did some comparisons myself, and admitting that I'm not a pro sound designer I couldn't reproduce some S1 sounds I love with Zebra or Hive. There's sth about the envelopes I haven't got right yet. Zebra is still my favorite synth, but in some areas I prefer S1. I agree on your view about the price though.

[basslinemaster]

Well, if you know how to install loads of VSTs, and you know how to use a DAW to make music, then there is no reason you shouldn't know how to make an image of your Windows installation... If you were only using your PC to surf the internet and send e-mails, then I can understand now bothering to find these things out, but this is pretty basic stuff, especially for somebody who has bought so many VSTs... And it puts a lot of the things you have said in this thread into perspective...

This is the most convoluted logic I have ever heard in my life. There is absolutely NO correlation between installing a VST, which is usually just one dll file, and knowing how to make an image of your OS and install hardware.

I can't for the life of me how you can even equate the two, but whatever. Believe whatever you want.

Un-freaking- real.

I also put "know how to use a DAW to make music". I presume that people who make music on their PCs, and are capable of learning how to use a DAW, can go online and read a webpage on how to back up their Windows installation. It's very easy, hence I presumed people who use their PCs all the time for productive things (i.e. not just surfing the internet and checking e-mails) would bother to find out...
If you want to find out, it isn't difficult at all, whether it's imaging your Windows installation, or changing a motherboard and/or processor.

[basslinemaster]

According to my PC tech it isn't that simple. Going from an I3 to an I7 is almost a certain Windows reinstall.

ps you're trying to blame other people for YOUR ignorance. Nothing has stopped you, over however many years you have been using your PC to make music, from going on Google and typing in 'How to back up Windows installation'. Attack others all you want for pointing this out, it's not our fault you can't be bothered to learn simple PC maintenance...

[basslinemaster]

I don't see S1 as a bread and butter synth at all. It's actually fairly niche to EDM and only a certain subset of sounds in EDM.

That hasn't been my experience at all, Sylenth1 (is it really that difficult to write its full name?) can do sounds for any genre you like, just about.

[fluffy_little_something]

Zebra is the fattest of all the synths. I just made a superaw the other day just using 4 oscillators and no filter that would blow you away. The sound is so big it's insane. Sylenth1 simply cannot get that big a sound. If you want, I'll make a quick audio of the patch and upload it if there's a way to do that.

I did some comparisons myself, and admitting that I'm not a pro sound designer I couldn't reproduce some S1 sounds I love with Zebra or Hive. There's sth about the envelopes I haven't got right yet. Zebra is still my favorite synth, but in some areas I prefer S1. I agree on your view about the price though.

You screwed up the quote tags, it was not me who said that...

[fluffy_little_something]

I don't see S1 as a bread and butter synth at all. It's actually fairly niche to EDM and only a certain subset of sounds in EDM.

That hasn't been my experience at all, Sylenth1 (is it really that difficult to write its full name?) can do sounds for any genre you like, just about.

Indeed. It is a pretty complete synth with oscillators, filters, envelopes etc. So why would it be for a specific genre?! Maybe it has got that reputation for whatever reason, but there is nothing about it which says EDM, not Jazz, R&B, etc. I mean, nobody has to use supersaw, and everything else is just like with other synths.
It's like saying you shouldn't use an SUV on the road, just because it can also go off-road.

[2ZrgE]

Zebra is the fattest of all the synths. I just made a superaw the other day just using 4 oscillators and no filter that would blow you away. The sound is so big it's insane. Sylenth1 simply cannot get that big a sound. If you want, I'll make a quick audio of the patch and upload it if there's a way to do that.

I did some comparisons myself, and admitting that I'm not a pro sound designer I couldn't reproduce some S1 sounds I love with Zebra or Hive. There's sth about the envelopes I haven't got right yet. Zebra is still my favorite synth, but in some areas I prefer S1. I agree on your view about the price though.

You screwed up the quote tags, it was not me who said that...

Edited. This board needs multiquote functionality.

[fluffy_little_something]

Personally I found the factory patches very usable, espcially for that kind of genre music S1 excels, for example Trance mockups and stuff.

I didn't say that I don't like the filters. But for sound diversity, why not having some more? I don't need 50+ as in other synths, but some more models would be nice to have.

I don't want to skin S1 myself either, but I'd like to change the skin with a click of the button.

Opening a patch file to have access to 128 presets is rather lame in 2015. Look at U-he's patch browsers for example, having access to all patches immediately is comfortable.

Yes, that's probably the same reason why the factory presets are crap to me

I don't really need variety within the same category. If there is a 24db lp filter, I don't need variants of that if the one and only sounds good, which it does in my view. I can always use the eq and/or saturation to change the sound character. I don't like the 12db filter in S1, but I don't really need it, anyway.

Is 128 too few? I use the menu option that leads to my preset folder, in which I can have thousands of presets if I want to. Of course I won't have that many, I suppose I would be happy if I got 128 great patches

[wagtunes]

Well, if you know how to install loads of VSTs, and you know how to use a DAW to make music, then there is no reason you shouldn't know how to make an image of your Windows installation... If you were only using your PC to surf the internet and send e-mails, then I can understand now bothering to find these things out, but this is pretty basic stuff, especially for somebody who has bought so many VSTs... And it puts a lot of the things you have said in this thread into perspective...

This is the most convoluted logic I have ever heard in my life. There is absolutely NO correlation between installing a VST, which is usually just one dll file, and knowing how to make an image of your OS and install hardware.

I can't for the life of me how you can even equate the two, but whatever. Believe whatever you want.

Un-freaking- real.

I also put "know how to use a DAW to make music". I presume that people who make music on their PCs, and are capable of learning how to use a DAW, can go online and read a webpage on how to back up their Windows installation. It's very easy, hence I presumed people who use their PCs all the time for productive things (i.e. not just surfing the internet and checking e-mails) would bother to find out...
If you want to find out, it isn't difficult at all, whether it's imaging your Windows installation, or changing a motherboard and/or processor.

Except you're assuming things that are light years apart. Do you have any idea how easy it is to screw up your PC when opening it if you touch certain things and you're not properly grounded? It's one of the reasons I don't dare touch anything in my PC. People go to school to learn how to work on PCs. You don't just open up your box and start tinkering away. Yes, I suppose I could learn. But I have no desire or time to learn. I have more important things to do. In the grand scheme of things, going from an I3 to an I7 is just not that important if I'm risking having to do a complete reinstall, which means countless days of this crap. It just isn't worth it. And if my PC tech tells me that it's almost a 100% certainty that if I go from an I3 to an I7 that I'm going to have to reinstall Windows, I'm going to believe HIM over some random person on the Internet who I don't know from Adam.

[fluffy_little_something]

Regarding supersaw, it seems to me that detune beyond 6/10 max is useless, or am I missing something?

[basslinemaster]

Except you're assuming things that are light years apart. Do you have any idea how easy it is to screw up your PC when opening it if you touch certain things and you're not properly grounded? It's one of the reasons I don't dare touch anything in my PC. People go to school to learn how to work on PCs. You don't just open up your box and start tinkering away.

Well actually, yes, you do... you just open your box and start tinkering away. If you know how to ground yourself (you only need to do it once, and then not walk around on a nylon carpet a lot) then you should have no problems. I started opening PCs when I had a humble 80286, or was it an 80386. You are obviously coming from a position of 'lack of knowledge', and it's preventing you from doing things, because you have the wrong idea about what is going on in your computer.

Yes, I suppose I could learn. But I have no desire or time to learn. I have more important things to do. In the grand scheme of things, going from an I3 to an I7 is just not that important if I'm risking having to do a complete reinstall, which means countless days of this crap. It just isn't worth it.

Yes, but I've named just a few of the many programs that will let you make an image of your Windows installation, so you can restore the image if you find that changing the processor mucks things up. This is all presuming that you have partitioned your hard drive so that you actually have your Windows installation on a separate (preferably small - i.e. 100GB or less) partition. If you want to carry on not knowing the basics of how your computer works, carry on, it's not my problem, but you will end up having endless problems like the one you have already mentioned (lack of speed) because you won't be able to upgrade things. There are so many help pages on the internet it's unbelievable.

And if my PC tech tells me that it's almost a 100% certainty that if I go from an I3 to an I7 that I'm going to have to reinstall Windows, I'm going to believe HIM over some random person on the Internet who I don't know from Adam.

Do you want me to show you some webpages that tell you the contrary? It's no skin off any of our noses, carry on as you are... reinstalling Windows isn't the end of the world (I am in a similar boat to you, a hundred applications installed, at least, twenty odd VSTs, etc., I know it takes all day to reinstall them all.)

[fluffy_little_something]

How do you clean, maintain, and upgrade a computer if you don't open and touch it?