Your fave MIDI fx, arp, mapper, mangler, generator, chorder, controller, utility. VST or MFX

[David]

David,

My idea was to have a VST able to transit midi data using audio. It would have a midi in and an audio out. The audio will likely have square waveform that will carry the midi data. On the other end will be a VST that has an audio in and a midi out. Not sure how well this will work and how bad the latency will be. One VST will encode the midi to audio and the other VST will decode the audio to midi. Just thinking out loud.

This is for modular host that has an audio out but not a midi out but as it tuns out the Reason Rack cannot host VST's. Without a third party VST hosting in the Rack this is a dead. That is why I deleted the post.

But then once you allow the Rack to host third party VST's there may be better ways to get midi data out from the Rack.

I think it's pretty likely that they'll soonish fix the MIDI Out thing, for both vsts in the DAW version and the Rack as vst. If not, there are so many other developers coming up with wonders these days, that, do or don't, it won't matter that much in the long run. And it's already easy to get the MIDI out from Reason Players right now, anyway…

[Kalamata Kid]

I think it's pretty likely that they'll soonish fix the MIDI Out thing, for both vsts in the DAW version and the Rack as vst. If not, there are so many other developers coming up with wonders these days, that, do or don't, it won't matter that much in the long run. And it's already easy to get the MIDI out from Reason Players right now, anyway…

The Rack has no midi out. Perhaps PH may want the Rack without a midi out.
I am very interested in the Rack or the individual Players. Especially the individual Players.
"it's already easy to get the MIDI out from Reason Players right now," It is? Wow, How? Midi out to my let's say Studio One or as a module in Bidule?

True, lately we have seen more midi plugin releases. Great!!!
But PH has a lot of Players https://www.propellerheads.com/shop/bro ... extensions
Especially Delta MIDI Computer https://www.propellerheads.com/shop/rac ... -computer/
Who was it hat made me aware of all the Midi that Reason has to offer. Now I am hooked.

[tatanka]

Hi David:

And it's already easy to get the MIDI out from Reason Players right now, anyway…

would be really great if you can say "how" ? Cause the reason devs clearly stated that the new rack plugin wont be able to do so (now) and for me it is a real deal breaker.

By the way, its really amazing how many stuff has come out lately in this area. I must say after trying out lot of stuff for my simple minded and "as easy as could be" thinking at the moment captain plugins really makes the winner especially with all the devellopment they made in the last couple of month with the melody tool which is by far the best I know now. If they could port this to the bass (which is really nothing now, only one-note-stuff) and add the long awaited drums will be hard to beat I think.

But its great to have so many options and mostly (like I often add Chordpotion or the new Hornet sequencer or the great kontakt SARP to the Captain) work very well together.

And another "by the way": really thank you David for all that greatly appreciated Info in here

[Kalamata Kid]

captain plugins - Captain Chords 3
Chordpotion

I had ignored these two but cannot recall why.
Perhaps the price?

All my midi purchases are dependent on what Architect will offer.
Hopefully it will be clear by BF.

I added them to my Black Friday buy? list!

[David]

Any Reason users here should be aware of a quite wonderful MIDI FX builder just recently launched as a Reason Player: The Delta MIDI Computer:
https://www.propellerheads.com/shop/rac ... -computer/

Here's a nice demo video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Jx-lD4TLKQ

And for Mac Reason users, here's a cool thing: Just like the other Reason Players, Delta can be combined with any other players, including itself, and sent out via the Mac's built-in IAC Driver to Logic, etc. (PCs can access a MIDI Loop device, free I believe, to do the same—search YouTube):

So now with the upcoming September 25 Reason 11 release the rack will be a VSTfx and a VSTi?
So all the midi fx will be available to all with a DAW that can host VST's.

Reason midi stuff:
https://www.propellerheads.com/shop/bro ... ns&pagex=2
This can get very expensive. Architect looks like a bargain, but then I have no idea what Architect offers so it may not be such a bargain.

Looks like the Rack will be $99 and will include what?

Right now, as shown in my post quoted above, Reason is a MIDI out powerhouse, using its built in External MIDI Instrument that sends MIDI out via the IAC Driver on a Mac or using any of several free MIDI utilities available for PCs, such as loopMIDI. If you get Reason 11, none of this will change; you just Run Reason stand-alone and all its MIDI is yours to send anywhere, including to itself of course, either internally or to the VST Rack hosted elsewhere, altho that'd be redundant since the Rack can use the same MIDI tools inside itself. It's just that the Rack can't pass its MIDI out.

Admittedly, there's more latency using the IAC driver or loopMIDI, but there are certainly workarounds if you must sync external MIDI with the DAW and insist that everything you do must all happen at once in RT, before the Props get around to fixing the Rack's MIDI failing.

I believe my first posts here about Reason MIDI are on p13 of this topic.

Here's a comparison between the current versions of Reason, which looks to me to confirm that all the MIDI stuff in Reason is in both versions, which shouldn't change with Reason 11:
https://www.propellerheads.com/en/reason

[Kalamata Kid]

Right now, as shown in my post quoted above, Reason is a MIDI out powerhouse, using its built in External MIDI Instrument that sends MIDI out via the IAC Driver on a Mac or using any of several free MIDI utilities available for PCs, such as loopMIDI. If you get Reason 11, none of this will change; you just Run Reason stand-alone and all its MIDI is yours to send anywhere, including to itself of course, either internally or to the VST Rack hosted elsewhere, altho that'd be redundant since the Rack can use the same MIDI tools inside itself. It's just that the Rack can't pass its MIDI out.

Admittedly, there's more latency using the IAC driver or loopMIDI, but there are certainly workarounds if you must sync external MIDI with the DAW and insist that everything you do must all happen at once in RT, before the Props get around to fixing the Rack's MIDI failing.

I believe my first posts here about Reason MIDI are on p13 of this topic.

Here's a comparison between the current versions of Reason, which looks to me to confirm that all the MIDI stuff in Reason is in both versions, which shouldn't change with Reason 11:
https://www.propellerheads.com/en/reason

Again, David thanks for your explanations in this thread.

My only interest is the Rack primarily for its midi Players and to use it as a VSTfx or more likely as a VSTi in Studio One 4.5 for Windows. I do not want the whole Reason DAW.

Can use the Rack and loopMIDI to essentially get a midi out form the Rack? I assume the Rack has a Midi in.

Ok, I know very little about Reason and if you had not pointed out its possibilities I still would be clueless about it. As it is now I am really interested in the Rack which can be had for $99 as part of Reason Intro? Correct? Sorry, a bit confused.

[David]

^^^
Well, as I understand, the Rack is a VST, so it only runs hosted in a DAW, and it can't currently send MIDI out, no matter where you host it. To get MIDI out, you'd need to run it stand-alone, IOW, launch Reason, and just load up the MIDI players there; no need to use the Reason piano roll or any of its other DAW features. I don't in any of the demos here. I'm just running the players for their MIDI. It's the same way I'm using VCV in the most recent video I've posted here. Both VCV and Reason can do virtually endless things, but can also be treated simply as MIDI sources, or put another way, as hosts for just their MIDI FX, as I'm doing.

So, the Rack is Reason without the DAW, and Reason can be run without using its DAW, which is the way to run the Rack without hosting it as a VST and thus losing MIDI Out. Until they fix that. HTH!

[David]

New fave: Captain Chords—really!

https://youtu.be/RErvIvZ4rRY

[Musical Gym]

I don't care for their internet monitoring. I prefer to work off-line.

[Kalamata Kid]

David thanks for the video. I too had put Captain Chords aside as a purchase.
You now got my attention.

The note painting looks interesting but for me I would have preferred if it painted chords.

IIRC Logic has a midi fx setup similar to MFX (cakewalk) which is almost abandoned.
So setting things up in Windows would be a bit more difficult.

[Musical Gym]

I found Waveform is similar to CC without extra monitoring.

[David]

Happy Wednesday, MIDI-fiers!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2evdnBtHwzM

(Those Captains really gotta make "Deep" a little deeper…)

[tatanka]

(Those Captains really gotta make "Deep" a little deeper…)

Hi David, definitely yes . But they have made lots of devellopment to the melody tool, in my view the most flexible now I have tested so far, I hope they will give a little bit of this to the Captain deep too. And of course I hope the Drums will come some day even if I have all I need on this field with Jamstix. But when they got the drums ready you really can do a whole song with this inside their concept. I really like how devellopment had taken up speed in the last year.

[Kalamata Kid]

Happy Wednesday, MIDI-fiers!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2evdnBtHwzM

(Those Captains really gotta make "Deep" a little deeper…)

David,
Nice!
Thanks for the video.

[chaosWyrM]

A bit earlier, when pointing out the great Cherry Audio give-away and sale, I mentioned VCV, and that I hadn't explored it yet. Well, thaks to Cherry A, now I have, as I struggled over wanting too many other things from Cherry A, for $$$. So, before driving myself even further down that road, I paused to take another look at VCV.
wow.

Made a quick video, recalling some responses here about not wanting to bother with anything like "modular" stuff for MIDI. Think again—this can be SO easy, and all for free.

https://youtu.be/HgXUwekm60o

Here's links to some of the resources mentioned:

The Jim Aikin series:
https://synthandsoftware.com

The most prolific YouTube explainer/demo-maker for VCV that I know of:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuWKHS ... /playlists

See especially this on how VCV can now host vsts (probably even including Voltage Modular! Which I expect to be checking out soonest—This feature does cost, though only $30):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqucDa38M1g

(LOVE the "aka:" subtitle—so true:))

VCV should have been the FIRST suggestion made in a topic like this one! If all it did was what I show it doing above, it would have been. The resources here, IMO, make it about as painless as possible to get involved without overwhelm. And once in, bring it on:)

vcv is pretty awesome...but it wont really catch on until its a vst that can be used inside a daw....hopefully that time will be soon. they keep saying version 2.0 at "the end of the year"...so if thats true...not too long to wait now.