Serum 2 is in the works, DMG Audio is also involved!

[Jac459]

Whilst you wait- New pre-set pack using 'physical modelling' looks very interesting

Using a wavetable based engine to approximate the behaviour of acoustic instruments is not physical modelling .

The basic for physical modelling is an exciter and a resonator.
Your exciter can be a wavetable without any issue.
Your resonator is generally a comb filter, Serum has that. So properly used it can do some physical modelling.

[sQeetz]

So multisampling it is. With different samples for pitch and/or velocity

[SLiC]

Whilst you wait- New pre-set pack using 'physical modelling' looks very interesting

Using a wavetable based engine to approximate the behaviour of acoustic instruments is not physical modelling .

The basic for physical modelling is an exciter and a resonator.
Your exciter can be a wavetable without any issue.
Your resonator is generally a comb filter, Serum has that. So properly used it can do some physical modelling.

Yes, the patches are made using the comb filter, it is physical modelling. He is a leading designer and talks about how it was done here…

[syntonica]

Whilst you wait- New pre-set pack using 'physical modelling' looks very interesting

No, sir. Didn't like it one bit. Those orchestral "sounds" broke my brain. I don't think a wavetable is expressive enough to create an entire string sound.

I'm sure someone some day will prove me wrong...

[Jac459]

Whilst you wait- New pre-set pack using 'physical modelling' looks very interesting

No, sir. Didn't like it one bit. Those orchestral "sounds" broke my brain. I don't think a wavetable is expressive enough to create an entire string sound.

I'm sure someone some day will prove me wrong...

Sorry my friend but you are understanding it wrong.
The wavetable is more than enough for what it needs to do.

In really life an exciter is the finger for the guitar or the hammer on the core of the piano.
The may part is done by the resonator which is the whole guitar and the chord or the piano body.

In many physical modelling synths, the exciter is just a burst of white noise.
A wavetable is able to do white noise .

Now the real question is if the comb filter is good and controllable enough in serum to do good sounds. I would say that it seems a bit impractical but possible.

[Jac459]

So multisampling it is. With different samples for pitch and/or velocity

Then you will be very limited on expressivity.

Better than a long speech, demo friction for one hour.

It you still think about multitasking after trying it, I eat my hat.

[gentleclockdivider]

Whilst you wait- New pre-set pack using 'physical modelling' looks very interesting

Using a wavetable based engine to approximate the behaviour of acoustic instruments is not physical modelling .

The basic for physical modelling is an exciter and a resonator.
Your exciter can be a wavetable without any issue.
Your resonator is generally a comb filter, Serum has that. So properly used it can do some physical modelling.

That’s just karplus strong synthesis , any synth with a delay time can do that .
Even then , karplus strong isn’t really convincing without a lowpass filter in the feedback loop , does serum have that ?
Physical modelling is more then just a tuned delay line

[Jac459]

Whilst you wait- New pre-set pack using 'physical modelling' looks very interesting

Using a wavetable based engine to approximate the behaviour of acoustic instruments is not physical modelling .

The basic for physical modelling is an exciter and a resonator.
Your exciter can be a wavetable without any issue.
Your resonator is generally a comb filter, Serum has that. So properly used it can do some physical modelling.

That’s just karplus strong synthesis , any synth with a delay time can do that .
Even then , karplus strong isn’t really convincing without a lowpass filter in the feedback loop , does serum have that ?
Physical modelling is more then just a tuned delay line

A comb filter is actually a delay set very short as you surely know.

But if your point is that I over-simplified the topic then my answer is abso-f**king-lutly my friend.

I am not an expert, just somebody who loves it.

Plus, I don't know what the bank creator has done to enrich his production beyond basic physical modelling.

[syntonica]

A wavetable is able to do white noise .

Not very well. It's going to have a period that's quite audible and will pitch the noise.

I was questioning the attack, sustain and decay phases of instruments, like a violin, which can be quite varied. Even with forever programming, I don't think your standard wavetable will have enough slots to do it justice.

[dayjob]

cryptic info about existing state of serum and updates for apple silicon etc keep me tuned out until it gets some clear system requirements/compatibility information. last time looked it seemed it was required to join the forum and find the link to the latest update to get apple silicon native versions of xfer's products. currently not interested in chasing links to get info about current status.

i'm fine waiting until the next version (s) of things come out to take a look again. Nerve looks really cool.. all of it looks/sounds awesome. but there's so many great sounding things on my laptop to explore already.
shrug.

[pchase]

last time looked it seemed it was required to join the forum and find the link to the latest update to get apple silicon native versions of xfer's products.

Seems pretty clear here: https://support.xferrecords.com/article ... m1-big-sur

Is this cryptic?

Looks like this was pretty clear for more than three years now. But, OK.

[Jac459]

A wavetable is able to do white noise .

Not very well. It's going to have a period that's quite audible and will pitch the noise.

I was questioning the attack, sustain and decay phases of instruments, like a violin, which can be quite varied. Even with forever programming, I don't think your standard wavetable will have enough slots to do it justice.

No no, you didn't get me.

For the case of a guitar or a piano, the wave table will be used as a short few millisecond burst. The whole body (and then ADSR of the sound) will be controlled by the resonating comb filter.

Only for violin or flute you have continuous exciter. But it is again the filter doing 99% of the sound.

And by the way serum has a noise generator.

Flute is I believe the simplest example of physical modelling (and thus borderline physical modelling we may say) where you can create a very convincing flute by generating a white noise and having after a bell filter with strong Q and pitched.

[Ou_Tis]

No no, you didn't get me.

For the case of a guitar or a piano, the wave table will be used as a short few millisecond burst. The whole body (and then ADSR of the sound) will be controlled by the resonating comb filter.

Only for violin or flute you have continuous exciter. But it is again the filter doing 99% of the sound.

And by the way serum has a noise generator.

Flute is I believe the simplest example of physical modelling (and thus borderline physical modelling we may say) where you can create a very convincing flute by generating a white noise and having after a bell filter with strong Q and pitched.

Wonder if that's what Berg did in these Phase Plant presets (I haven't bought them yet---partly because he says he maxed out the modulator modules, so there's no room for MPE Timbre and Pressure):

[liquidsound]

Amazing Vital work

[HcDoom]

You guys went off topic…