Zebra 3.0 released

[Milkman]

I know that here most of you a so excited about new interface but it's still a big grey spot. I have a great idea about Zebra 3 UI — why not to use Plugmon's work as a reference? Guy literally create a future vision of the product.

https://plugmon.jp/product/neumann-pro

You don't need to be a designer to understand simple rules of color theory. In my daily work I don't trust AI much but for UX standards of accessibility it can be used for sure:



P.S.: No hate here. I still can't understand why Zebralette 3 UI ignored and not re-used in Zebra 3.

You cant be serious.
I instantly block any account that is this ridiculous, and I add every "ai" vendor to my filter. In the future, being this dumb should be a bannable offense.

[Andrei Marchenko]

I know that here most of you a so excited about new interface but it's still a big grey spot. I have a great idea about Zebra 3 UI — why not to use Plugmon's work as a reference? Guy literally create a future vision of the product.

https://plugmon.jp/product/neumann-pro

You don't need to be a designer to understand simple rules of color theory. In my daily work I don't trust AI much but for UX standards of accessibility it can be used for sure:



P.S.: No hate here. I still can't understand why Zebralette 3 UI ignored and not re-used in Zebra 3.

I'm curious though, did you put any other complex audio instrument plugin though this engine? also what is the website or app you used to get this score? To me the best GUI for a complex plugin is Pigments, and even though I love it, the worst is probably Falcon.

I used Claude AI. And, to be honest, as a UI/UX designer I'm the same opinion about this analytics. I have just saved my time about writing all the things about. Great example about Falcon for sure — Zebra 3 looks the same like a grey spot.

KVR is so KVR. I literally wrote NO HATE but...

[machinesworking]

I know that here most of you a so excited about new interface but it's still a big grey spot. I have a great idea about Zebra 3 UI — why not to use Plugmon's work as a reference? Guy literally create a future vision of the product.

https://plugmon.jp/product/neumann-pro

You don't need to be a designer to understand simple rules of color theory. In my daily work I don't trust AI much but for UX standards of accessibility it can be used for sure:



P.S.: No hate here. I still can't understand why Zebralette 3 UI ignored and not re-used in Zebra 3.

I'm curious though, did you put any other complex audio instrument plugin though this engine? also what is the website or app you used to get this score? To me the best GUI for a complex plugin is Pigments, and even though I love it, the worst is probably Falcon.

I used Claude AI. And, to be honest, as a UI/UX designer I'm the same opinion about this analytics. I have just saved my time about writing all the things about. Great example about Falcon for sure — Zebra 3 looks the same like a grey spot.

KVR is so KVR. I literally wrote NO HATE but...

You’re getting feedback too. Putting one complex VI into Claude looking for issues isn’t giving anything like real value beyond confirmation bias. If you want anything like real data from it, you would have to put in at least two other complex VI’s. Throw in Serum, Falcon, and Pigments, and see what it says. Otherwise, you’re just looking at super complex software and analyzing it as if it was GarageBand in my opinion.

The reality is everyone is not served by every UX, I don’t particularly like light GUIs so I don’t see Zebralette 3 as superior, and I didn’t care for the Zebra 2 skin you posted either, IMO Zebra HZ is better. Pigments is one of the best I’ve seen but it’s a much simpler synth than Zebra, fixed architecture etc.

[Andrei Marchenko]

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You’re getting feedback too. Putting one complex VI into Claude looking for issues isn’t giving anything like real value beyond confirmation bias. If you want anything like real data from it, you would have to put in at least two other complex VI’s. Throw in Serum, Falcon, and Pigments, and see what it says. Otherwise, you’re just looking at super complex software and analyzing it as if it was GarageBand in my opinion.

The reality is everyone is not served by every UX, I don’t particularly like light GUIs so I don’t see Zebralette 3 as superior, and I didn’t care for the Zebra 2 skin you posted either, IMO Zebra HZ is better. Pigments is one of the best I’ve seen but it’s a much simpler synth than Zebra, fixed architecture etc.

Still can't understand why we are discussing Pigments or Serum if the topic about Zebra 3. I do not compare the plugin to others.

It's funny to watch people who like the UI tell me I'm wrong, but I never tell anyone they're wrong. Based on my experience, I try to point out flaws in the user experience.

I mean.. Which one is more readable? Answer is obvious here.

[pdxindy]

It's funny to watch people who like the UI tell me I'm wrong, but I never tell anyone they're wrong. Based on my experience, I try to point out flaws in the user experience.

I mean.. Which one is more readable? Answer is obvious here.

I've made minor tweaks to the current GUI and like it better than that old one. The answer may be obvious for you, but that doesn't make it obvious for someone else.

[Andrei Marchenko]

It's funny to watch people who like the UI tell me I'm wrong, but I never tell anyone they're wrong. Based on my experience, I try to point out flaws in the user experience.

I mean.. Which one is more readable? Answer is obvious here.

I've made minor tweaks to the current GUI and like it better than that old one. The answer may be obvious for you, but that doesn't make it obvious for someone else.

It's hard to disagree

[machinesworking]

Still can't understand why we are discussing Pigments or Serum if the topic about Zebra 3. I do not compare the plugin to others.

Because they're similarly complex plugins with crowded interfaces. You run the one you have issues with through Claude, but not the others, you have zero baseline to judge Zebra 3 by.

It's funny to watch people who like the UI tell me I'm wrong, but I never tell anyone they're wrong. Based on my experience, I try to point out flaws in the user experience.

That's a very pretentious thing to say, and if you don't understand why I can't help you.
Myabe here's a clue:

You don't need to be a designer to understand simple rules of color theory.

I mean.. Which one is more readable? Answer is obvious here.

The left one, because garish GUI's cause eye strain here.
We are not the same, I get that you like plugins that look like modern mixed media townhomes, but personally I'm not into it, in fact i kinda hate that design choice.

To throw you a bone, the frames on the one on the right are better, but I don't like the bright orange yellow on green thing. Muted is better IMO because that's literally one part of a dozen or more panels on a complex synth like Z3, and it just gets far too cluttered looking if everything is geared towards standing out.

This is again why I mentioned running other complex cluttered VI's through your Claude-firmation bias algorithm to give you a baseline. You personally seem to like brightly colored overtly detailed looking GUI's and that IMO isn't where the sweet spot is. Personally if it came back with Pigments not being near perfect then I don't see the point in it at all.

[Andrei Marchenko]

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lol, ok Just relax

[Urs]

May I assume that my points are deliberately ignored?

[Urs]

I mean.. Which one is more readable? Answer is obvious here.

You are obviously confusing contrast with UX. Yes, old one has more contrast. Well spotted! But this is where the argument ends. Are you not seeing that that old one is a hot mess of arbitrary layout and design/colour choices? Put two modules of the old design next to each other, you see they are laid out in isolation. Do the same with the new design, it's laid out in a design language that encompasses the whole product.

I do not mind talking about contrast, but I'm not going to talk about bringing back arbitrarily distributing some orange, green and blue boxes somewhere just to make things less bland. That ship has sailed.

If we want to talk about UX, there are way more interesting topics than the choice of green or grey.

[bamus]

Ah hey that screenshot comparison is interesting. Thanks Andrei.

In my opinion the zebra 3 version is more successful at bringing out the information that is important, and the less important information is less distracting.

[Fannon]

On first glance I would also have preferred the old variant, maybe because of better contrasts. However, on second look and longer usage, overall consistency is more important (Contrast can be fixed easily via custom themes, and here what people perceive better is highly subjective).

So I do appreciate the rework of the design. I would have preferred some aspects of the older design, but also prefer / like some of the new changes.

I did ask ChatGPT and Gemini what they prefer and both were clearly preferring the right (old) side. Interesting. But those two OSC panels without the rest of the synth are bit out of context. One of the improvments was also the overall consistency across the modules.

[Urs]

Feed it the user guide. Otherwise it doesn't even know what it is looking at.

[machinesworking]

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lol, ok Just relax

and you wonder why some people just chose to dismiss you?

[pdxindy]

On first glance I would also have preferred the old variant, maybe because of better contrasts. However, on second look and longer usage, overall consistency is more important (Contrast can be fixed easily via custom themes, and here what people perceive better is highly subjective).

In my tweaked theme, I lowered the contrast on the text labels. You just cannot please everyone