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pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Fri Aug 04, 2017 5:43 am

Der Tatortreiniger wrote:
Urs wrote:I think people have gone nuts
This. The wavetable import/editing capabilities of Serum are nice, but I don't find anything else about it especially appealing (and I happen to be a big fan of hard, dynamics-free electro). The waveform visualization looks cool, but I think it's distracting. Nobody on the dancefloor gets to see and be impressed by the flashy visualization when I sweep through a wavetable, so why would I want this visualization sitting in the middle of the interface, potentially biasing my sound design judgement? If you really want to know what a wavetable sounds like you listen to it, you don't look at it... Serum would not have been nearly so successful a product if NI had made wavetable import/creation/editing possible in Massive.

Within about 5 hours of exploring Serum, I stopped looking at the waveform display altogether. Once I understood what was what, it became redundant. I would rather the GUI space be used for something more useful (for me)

spunkmuffin · Post by **spunkmuffin** » Fri Aug 04, 2017 7:36 am

Urs wrote:I sometimes think about doing a radical thing and allow for only two waveforms to morph between, but then truely morph in spectacular ways. The whole "key framing" thing with wavetables just doesn't sound good. It's always somewhat mechanical sounding. There are just always those "edge moments" where a movement of harmonics takes a turn, and it isn't smooth.

Maybe people like mechanical sounding.

Serum has two or three different types of fading/morphing between table frames. It's shown well in this video at ~19:00...

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For Zebra3 I would concentrate on the Bézier splines and geometric stuff and leave .wav samples for last, if at all.

omiroad · Post by **omiroad** » Tue Aug 08, 2017 7:52 pm

spunkmuffin wrote:Serum does wavetables really well no matter what you say! Don't even attempt to do anything like it!

It's fine to be contrarian spunkmuffin, but at least try to make a decent case.

spunkmuffin · Post by **spunkmuffin** » Tue Aug 08, 2017 9:59 pm

The poster above has invented a quote and deliberately mis-attributed it to me.
He will probably edit his post now.
omiroad you have a brain, why not use it for good instead of evil?

vvilms · Post by **vvilms** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:41 pm

Any thoughts on Wolfgang Palm's PPG Infinite?

clangorous · Post by **clangorous** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 12:06 am

Not sure if you mean as a comparison to Zebra (respectfully, not even close) or for the visualizations it appears to have.

vvilms · Post by **vvilms** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 12:48 am

clangorous wrote:Not sure if you mean as a comparison to Zebra (respectfully, not even close) or for the visualizations it appears to have.

I've not had the opportunity to mess with it/ research it much. An ex-instructor of mine called it a Serum-killer once ported to VST, and considering we've been discussing Serum in depth, I figured it wouldn't hurt to mention.

Clarification: As this thread has been known to host discussions on most wavetable synth developments, I just figured it'd be a matter of time before this was mentioned.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 3:47 am

vvilms wrote:
clangorous wrote:Not sure if you mean as a comparison to Zebra (respectfully, not even close) or for the visualizations it appears to have.
I've not had the opportunity to mess with it/ research it much. An ex-instructor of mine called it a Serum-killer once ported to VST, and considering we've been discussing Serum in depth, I figured it wouldn't hurt to mention.

Clarification: As this thread has been known to host discussions on most wavetable synth developments, I just figured it'd be a matter of time before this was mentioned.

Infinite is not a wavetable synth...

vvilms · Post by **vvilms** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 4:10 am

pdxindy wrote: Infinite is not a wavetable synth...

Sorry - I'll see if I can remove the post.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:48 am

Now worries, we'll check it out.

That said, I don't really want to go too far from where we are in Zebra already. I want to make it better, but keep the familiar parts & concepts that have proven to work well.

vvilms · Post by **vvilms** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:44 am

Urs wrote:No worries, we'll check it out.

That said, I don't really want to go too far from where we are in Zebra already. I want to make it better, but keep the familiar parts & concepts that have proven to work well.

Absolutely not. I love the direction you're taking. (or at least appear to be taking

) I wasn't seeking to distract in any meaningful way.

operator · Post by **operator** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 3:24 pm

Urs wrote: I want to make it better, but keep the familiar parts & concepts that have proven to work well.

Of course general CPU usage is a factor, but If you ask me, i wouldn´t mind AT ALL, if some modules would end up as CPU hogs like Diva in the beginning. especially in the FX section...

the reason why i use u-he is because of the perfectly thought out concepts, from Bazille over Satin to Zebra, all Products have theire uniquness and little "geeky" twists that make them really special instruments. when i look at the product history and the gained knowledge collected over the last years, I just can imagine how great the Horse 3 will end up...

One thing I really hope is that FM will be upgraded towards Bazille-style FM. Please don´t neglect FM or other synthesis forms just because of popularity of wavetable synthesis nowadays... yes with serum you can create a sound very fast, just use a complex Waveform wiggle the WT-Position knob a little bit... and done... but i would take one Oscilator and the Filter-network from Bazille over Serum all the way...

vvilms · Post by **vvilms** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 3:40 pm

operator wrote:One thing I really hope is that FM will be upgraded towards Bazille-style FM. Please don´t neglect FM or other synthesis forms just because of popularity of wavetable synthesis nowadays... yes with serum you can create a sound very fast, just use a complex Waveform wiggle the WT-Position knob a little bit... and done... but i would take one Oscilator and the Filter-network from Bazille over Serum all the way...

^ 100% agreed. (While I'm certain that he's addressed that Zebra will be getting 'through zero' along with other improvements, ANYTHING else from Bazille (such as fractal, etc) would be incredible.)

Additionally, I wish I could use modmappers to modulate between different FM engines (pure sine/ half sine/ sine shift, etc.) but alas - engines aren't modulatable. =/ (While I'm sure there's no great reason to be able to do ^this, it doesn't stop me from being sad that I can't try it.

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Urs · Post by **Urs** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 3:56 pm

Through Zero FM =

Very sure it'll be in it, possibly even for wavetable Oscs as well as for dedicated FMO-style ones.

david.beholder · Post by **david.beholder** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 4:09 pm

Are we atill gonna have both FMO and OSC?

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