Roland Cloud

[Arashi]

Is there a VST2 version of the 606? I'm not finding it with the rest of the Roland Cloud plugs. The VST3 version is in the usual place.

Zenelogy Pro was VST3 if I remember correctly. I suspect they're just moving off of VST2 entirely and focusing on VST3 at this point.

On the Mac, all Roland Cloud plugins (except the really old Sound Canvas) are both AU and VST3. On Windows, you get VST2 and VST3. Is Zenology Pro not available as VST2 on Windows? Because it still supports both formats (AU & VST3) on the Mac, so it looks like nothing has changed on this side.

[WatchTheGuitar]

IIRC there’s some licensing issue with VST2 where Steinberg will only let you further develop pre-existing VST2 plugins, but for fresh plugins you can only release VST3 format plugins. I don’t know the full ins and outs and I am sure there are ways to get round that, but I think that the intention was to steer people towards developing VST3. Of couse it’s a ballache for anyone using legacy kit or DAWs that don’t get on with VST2.

[interruptor]

Does anyone else have problems scaling the interface of Zenology Pro?
I installed the Roland Cloud Manager and Zenology last week and at first I could select the GUI size from the "Menu": 100%, 125%, 150%, etc.. Since the day I updated to v1.5 all options except 100% are greyed out. I already uninstalled and reinstalled Zenology from the Cloud Manager to no avail.
This really bums me out since the GUI is tiny at 100%..

My System: Win10, Host: Reaper 64bit.

Any hints would be appreciated a lot.

[interruptor]

Does anyone else have problems scaling the interface of Zenology Pro?
I installed the Roland Cloud Manager and Zenology last week and at first I could select the GUI size from the "Menu": 100%, 125%, 150%, etc.. Since the day I updated to v1.5 all options except 100% are greyed out. I already uninstalled and reinstalled Zenology from the Cloud Manager to no avail.
This really bums me out since the GUI is tiny at 100%..

My System: Win10, Host: Reaper 64bit.

Any hints would be appreciated a lot.

==> Ok, I found two statemens about this issue from Roland's Brian McClelland in the Roland Cloud Users group on Facebook:

Hey, friends. Brian with Roland Cloud here. Thanks for notifying us about this! It seems this issue is caused by Windows misreading the size of the UI for ZENOLOGY Pro. Dev team is on it currently.

Hey, Kyle! Yes, we are working on this now. It relates to Windows reading our UI and its editor screen as the footprint and shrinking the main screen, even if the editor isn't open. Thanks for letting us know!

[zvenx]

i reported a similar issue with the TR-808...... I have the same screens with the same resolution on mac and pc, the mac can scale up to 200% (by which time it takes more than the screen size to fully display), so I think i used it at 150%... the PC only allows me to go up to 125%, everything else is grayed out.
I reported this, this was in August.
rsp

[JamminFool]

re: sizing issues, I have also reported this over a year ago regarding the JV-1080 and all of it's expansion versions. They first denied it, then said they would pass it on to the developers, but they never did anything about it. After reminding them several times and seeing nothing done about it, I gave up. I have since noticed this problem on other plugs in the Roland Cloud also. Although the plugs sound GREAT, there are many small details like this that are infuriating.

[interruptor]

re: sizing issues, I have also reported this over a year ago regarding the JV-1080 and all of it's expansion versions. They first denied it, then said they would pass it on to the developers, but they never did anything about it. After reminding them several times and seeing nothing done about it, I gave up. I have since noticed this problem on other plugs in the Roland Cloud also. Although the plugs sound GREAT, there are many small details like this that are infuriating.

It seems that they grey out some of the zoom options to prevent the GUI to become larger than the total screen size. In the case of the JV-1080 and the TR-808 this works quite ok on my pc. In the case of Zenology Pro however the GUI is ridiculously small. They should really fix this if they care about business with Windows users.
Actually I think they should better leave it to the user to decide which size is best. With Arturia plugins I often use a very large size and have unused parts of the GUI outside of the screen.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

I think the far better solution would be a new zenology GUI that uses space better and doesn’t have small hard to read/see elements. For instance, a GUI that’s much wider and not as tall and don’t use those tiny thin horizontal faders and small text. This way you’re not that making a bad GUI bigger, so large it expands beyond the vertical size of your monitor.

[Ray Leece]

Is this is the actual Interruptor developer talking? Hi, Night Flight customer here. Cool little string ensemble. BTW, recent SynthEdit 64-bit builds are stable, any chance of x64 update?

[idobs]

IIRC there’s some licensing issue with VST2 where Steinberg will only let you further develop pre-existing VST2 plugins, but for fresh plugins you can only release VST3 format plugins. I don’t know the full ins and outs and I am sure there are ways to get round that, but I think that the intention was to steer people towards developing VST3. Of couse it’s a ballache for anyone using legacy kit or DAWs that don’t get on with VST2.

+1

Very frustrating that 606 on Windows is VST3 only

[Ray Leece]

not interested in drum machines, but good to see plugin versions still being developed. hoping to see new synths. JX-s, JD-s, some old Roland ensembles and vocoders would make my wallet loosen up.

[interruptor]

Is this is the actual Interruptor developer talking? Hi, Night Flight customer here. Cool little string ensemble. BTW, recent SynthEdit 64-bit builds are stable, any chance of x64 update?

Yes, it's me. I was recently playing around with SE 64bit, which is pretty stable by now. Since most of my existing plugins like Night Flight depend on third-party libraries available in 32bit only, a transition to 64bit is difficult. I'd have to replace these libraries with my own coding in SE64bit. So far I haven't had a chance to dig into the details.

[jbone1313]

Update/edit 20201005: I submitted a support ticket. Roland said this is not a bug. The manual I was using was from the website and was out of date. The manual packaged with the plugin is correct.

Cloud TR-909 manual says TR-909 responds to CCs for RS Tune, RS Decay, CP Tune, CP Decay, CH Tune, OH Tune, CC Decay, and RC Decay.

But, they do not seem to respond.

These parameters are not available on the UI.

Is that a bug?

The other "hidden" parameters do respond. For example, SD Decay does, indeed, respond to CC 28.

Similar issue noticed on TR-808.

[Ray Leece]

Yes, it's me. I was recently playing around with SE 64bit, which is pretty stable by now. Since most of my existing plugins like Night Flight depend on third-party libraries available in 32bit only, a transition to 64bit is difficult. I'd have to replace these libraries with my own coding in SE64bit. So far I haven't had a chance to dig into the details.

that's too bad. I was looking forward to it. I don't think Night Flight was developed since 2013, so maybe a little rework and effort put into it in 2020-21, perhaps? at least x64 port, if nothing else.

[benedettodue]

A little trick to temporarily solve ZenologyPro's "Lilliputian" graphics problem in windows (the trick is valid for all Rolandcloud software).
You have to take advantage of the "resizing and layout" option of windows (right click on the desktop and screen setting) which allows with a trick to have larger graphics, which I remember can be obtained without problems with the MAC. I tested it on 4K (3840x2160) and Cubase monitors. The trick is fine until you log off or shut down from the pc.
First you need to enter the recommended windows resizing (150% for 4k), then run the DAW (cubase) and Zenology at max zoom; leaving the daw open, then just insert the windows resizing greater (200-225%) and the zenology graphics finally large up to occupy the full screen.
Useful for programming sessions waiting for roland to fix the problem.