Is Tracktion now an orphan?

[warbug]

I would like a detailed description of each track, if you are using 100 tracks.

[KrzysiekK]

I bought a new HD (VelociRaptor 150GB) a week ago; it sits here still unpacked out of antistatic packing because I am affraid of Tracktion lost audio clips horror (I use links to audio instead of copying the audio into the project directory to preserve disk space). Need to finish the current project finally, perform all the renders and tidy up before I can dream of installing this new HD. Tracktion3 is very refractory when it comes to clips' relocalization...

[Neil G]

I would like a detailed description of each track, if you are using 100 tracks.

whats so hard to believe..

a drum kit can be 10 tracks alone..

usually for drums i do

1 track for kick
1 track for clap.
1 track for other snares,rims, etc..
1 track for hats
1 track for crash
1 track for reverse crash.
1 track for any other noise in my kit like blips, etc.

then route those to another track.

then each and every sample gets a track. each fx noise.

most of my tracks hover around 50 - 60 tracks no problem between midi and audio and everything except the drums usually gets bounced down to audio.

Logic 8 handles this superbly as should all hosts.

[Gabriel_S]

I would like a detailed description of each track, if you are using 100 tracks.

Lol...too funny, Unfortunately I think I would crash your T3 if I sent detailed descriptions of each track

In all seriousness, working in a professional environment, 60 to 100 and more tracks is not that unreasonable (The Titanic soundtrack in itself was 370 tracks I believe). I write mostly epics and sound scores so.....

10 tracks minimum for drums
8 tracks or so for guitars
2 tracks for Bass, I usually double track the bass and pan them far left and far right
2 tracks for lead vocals
4 to 8 tracks on harmony
30 plus tracks for synth work since I use a ton of different patches
10 or so tracks for sound effects
4 or so tracks for misc. instruments, Flute, Piano, Organ etc.

so there you go, that's a minimum of 70 tracks right there alone, and that's pretty much a bare bones setup for me anyways.

Gabriel

[oxbee]

Mackie didn't design T3 to be used as a professional piece of software, more for the home hobbyist laying down minimal tracks

Yep, thank for telling peoples using it to actually make music are just some hobbyists doing insignificant work.

I achieve 3/4 songs a week with Tracktion and start many "projects" with ideas, using all features of it like recording, racks, many tracks, many plugins (NI, Blue Tubes, ...) and such. I record my voice, guitar, bass, synths, el piano, piano.. This is not just "in the box" audio/midi things.
I drive it with an Axiom 25 with a Tracktion setup and my digital piano (Yamaha P80).
I rarely reach more than 20 tracks (audio/midi) and there's always a way to optimize that with racks. All those tracks are finally sent to a 8-track bus or 16-track bus depending on what I want to do so I generate 8 or 16 audio tracks to use in Ableton Live or Protools or... well, that's the normal good old method to have a multitrack version of your mixes for future use like if it was sent to a multitrack recorder.

It just works perfectly and I think I just have a normal and coherent usage of that host.

All the music (many songs!) I've done in the 3 last years has been done in Tracktion. I did some huge sessions with it to prepare live performances and it went well. The music done in Tracktion was used in many live performances, videos, etc...

So sorry, I just don't get those kind of "general" statements based on your own really specific experience because they just bring the discredit upon a tool that just work fine for a lot of people who are happy with it.

I converted some of my buddies/family to Tracktion and I must say humbly that they are far from having my knowledges in audio or computing (well, I've studied for that and this is my day job). And that's why they are really happy with it because it's an easy and reliable tool on PC. Most of the time their requests are more based on general usage instead of bugs or incoherent usage of it.

Again, a good practice is to transpose the "real world" usage into your host, and related to your requirements. Come on... 100 tracks... I'm not even sure they would be able to handle that at Ocean Way Studios !!;)

I'm an ex-Logic user and then Cubase for a while and please don't think they are the Holy Grail of audio. They crash either on Mac or PC, or whatever computer on Earth especially if you have a bad usage of them.

[Gabriel_S]

Mackie didn't design T3 to be used as a professional piece of software, more for the home hobbyist laying down minimal tracks

Yep, thank for telling peoples using it to actually make music are just some hobbyists doing insignificant work.

I achieve 3/4 songs a week with Tracktion and start many "projects" with ideas, using all features of it like recording, racks, many tracks, many plugins (NI, Blue Tubes, ...) and such. I record my voice, guitar, bass, synths, el piano, piano.. This is not just "in the box" audio/midi things.
I drive it with an Axiom 25 with a Tracktion setup and my digital piano (Yamaha P80).

It just works perfectly and I think I just have a normal and coherent usage of that host.

All the music (many songs!) I've done in the 3 last years has been done in Tracktion. I did some huge sessions with it to prepare live performances and it went well. The music done in Tracktion was used in many live performances, videos, etc...

So sorry, I just don't get those kind of "general" statements based on your own really specific experience because they just bring the discredit upon a tool that just work fine for a lot of people who are happy with it.

I converted some of my buddies/family to Tracktion and I must say humbly that they are far from having my knowledges in audio or computing (well, I've studied for that and this is my day job). And that's why they are really happy with it because it's an easy and reliable tool on PC. Most of the time their requests are more based on general usage instead of bugs or incoherent usage of it.

Again, a good practice is to transpose the "real world" usage into your host, and related to your requirements. Come on... 100 tracks... I'm not even sure they would be able to handle that at Ocean Way Studios !!;)

I'm an ex-Logic user and then Cubase for a while and please don't think they are the Holy Grail of audio. They crash either on Mac or PC, or whatever computer on Earth especially if you have a bad usage of them.

Please read that statement again, more carefully this time please. I never once stated that the users of T3 are home hobbyists. Please don't rephrase my wording.

I'm happy T3 works on your machine !!!!

Anyways I'm out of this thread. I'm done with T3 for the time being and really don't have much more to add without being blasted by the few that T3 works for. I'll be checking back every now and then to see if Mackie comes up with a more stable product but till then ...

[PaulG]

Well, ox (and all),

Just goes to show you - don't offer Gabe advice or he'll accuse you of misunderstading, flaming, or worse off, disinterest and being on your own high holy horse.

Because after all, there's nothing you or I could offer that he possibly didn't think of already. And it was an obvious flame with my suggestion to look into the hard drive problem of having to defrag every day and for him to PM me to give him some tech advice.

I can see why Mackie and Beno stay off. The RMS forum and other parts of KVR has turned into some people's (frequently newer KVRists) own bitch board - and they bitch at the other users (frequently older KVRists) who actually could contribute in some way. Of their own time and expertise.

Oh, yeah, for free.

Sorry it didn't work out for you Gabe. I don't think your issues are all Tracktion-related, but you are welcome to that idea.

[Neil G]

Well, ox (and all),



I can see why Mackie and Beno stay off. The RMS forum and other parts of KVR has turned into some people's (frequently newer KVRists) own bitch board - and they bitch at the other users (frequently older KVRists) who actually could contribute in some way. Of their own time and expertise.

so why havent they responded on there own official forum then?

as far as it being a bitch fest here.. its a public forum.. not everything is always rainbows and unicorns.

if someone has a problem or opinion about something they have the right to post it here positive or negative.

[rockstar_not]

not everything is always rainbows and unicorns.

Now there's an album title if I ever saw one. Thanks Neil!

-Scott

[Neil G]

not everything is always rainbows and unicorns.

Now there's an album title if I ever saw one. Thanks Neil!

-Scott

whoops i forgot the little TM..

[rockstar_not]

not everything is always rainbows and unicorns.

Now there's an album title if I ever saw one. Thanks Neil!

-Scott

whoops i forgot the little TM..

or perhaps this would be better as the title for a bug report thread?

[PaulG]

Sorry guys, "Rainbows and Unicorns" already has an international copyright.

Like Spinal Tap, who were a mainstream folk band before making it big in heavy metal, Judas Priest's prior name was, in fact, "Rainbows and Unicorns". Of course, they were talking about the singer's preferece for male members of the audience with the Unicorn reference, but nobody really noticed.

[jonnyG]

Sorry guys, "Rainbows and Unicorns" already has an international copyright.

Like Spinal Tap, who were a mainstream folk band before making it big in heavy metal, Judas Priest's prior name was, in fact, "Rainbows and Unicorns". Of course, they were talking about the singer's preferece for male members of the audience with the Unicorn reference, but nobody really noticed.

*muffled laughter from back of class again*

This thread has baffled me for some time. "That" Crysonic thread has been lurching along bitterly for yonks and I don't recall anyone chipping in with "Well, if you don't like 'em use something else."

It's fairly similar to the ire in the XT user forum. People who say (with a German accent) "Get over it, use Reaper instead" are entirely missing the point. People love the philosophy of the software and have actively helped develop it for years but have found that in practice that it often doesn't work well and there is little or no comeback from the dev / vendor. Mebbe these people don't want another boring timeline sequencer - but they do deserve something that works. Also in the hardware world if something doesn't work we can get our money back, but if it's software then it's "as is". Takes the piss really.

[Gabriel_S]

Well, ox (and all),

Because after all, there's nothing you or I could offer that he possibly didn't think of already. And it was an obvious flame with my suggestion to look into the hard drive problem of having to defrag every day and for him to PM me to give him some tech advice.

You're cracking me up Paul...really. You STILL don't get it and probably won't. Yes I defrag EVERY day, but NOT because I have to, I've made it a habit to do so (you know, like brushing your teeth ). Only takes me 2 minutes and keeps my comp optimized. I also make archives and backups daily, guess I better buy a new comp while I'm at it as well huh? I do other things as well on a daily basis to make sure my comp is clean and stable, but hell, why even go into it, you seem to be the expert here.....sheesh, what a pompous .... oh never mind !!!!!

[warbug]

I would like a detailed description of each track, if you are using 100 tracks.

Lol...too funny, Unfortunately I think I would crash your T3 if I sent detailed descriptions of each track

In all seriousness, working in a professional environment, 60 to 100 and more tracks is not that unreasonable (The Titanic soundtrack in itself was 370 tracks I believe). I write mostly epics and sound scores so.....

10 tracks minimum for drums
8 tracks or so for guitars
2 tracks for Bass, I usually double track the bass and pan them far left and far right
2 tracks for lead vocals
4 to 8 tracks on harmony
30 plus tracks for synth work since I use a ton of different patches
10 or so tracks for sound effects
4 or so tracks for misc. instruments, Flute, Piano, Organ etc.

so there you go, that's a minimum of 70 tracks right there alone, and that's pretty much a bare bones setup for me anyways.

Gabriel

10 tracks for drums I can understand... I don't do that but maybe I should.

8 tracks for guitars ....MMAAAAAYYYBE I don't play guitar I really don't know if that is necessary


but 30 tracks for synths... I am going to have to give you a big LOL. I would say work more efficiently or get better synths that can stack patches, my first computer could not handle 3 synths at once.



Just some food for thought to every one who uses more than 20 tracks per song. There has been a lot of great music created on 4, 8 tracks maybe just as a practice drill for making music; try to compose a song using only 4 tracks...



P.S. Defragging your HDD every day may shorten the life or your hard drive.