Satin goes V1.1

[sascha]

Also, question about the Compander and Hiss.. I have the Uhx type 1 compander on mixed to about 40% and the hiss and asperity noise set to 0 but I'm getting noise that is pumping with my drums, ie when the kick/snare hit for example, the noise dips... but where is this noise coming from, is it part of the design?

That's exactly the modulation noise these systems were known for. It's in the design. Telcom C4 also suffered from this issue.

[David Else]

But of course, you'd build the hi-fi version to ideal specs first, as you have done so brilliantly. That's 'versioning digital goods 101' (good article here). Much like you already do with the excellent demo versions.

Thanks for the article link, i had to LOL when i read:

"In this way, Playboy learns more about it's on-line customers and how they use its products"

[MyOpe]

I have a big problem with feedback in Delay mode :

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B6VJG8H ... sp=sharing

It seems like the buffer gets all messed up. I am experiencing this in Reaper and FLStudio on DS/ASIO drivers and on any sample rate/buffer size.

What revision number is dispayed on the top right?

Its rev.1832

[Urs]

I have a big problem with feedback in Delay mode :

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B6VJG8H ... sp=sharing

It seems like the buffer gets all messed up. I am experiencing this in Reaper and FLStudio on DS/ASIO drivers and on any sample rate/buffer size.

What revision number is dispayed on the top right?

Its rev.1832

Ok... can you save the preset and send it to us?

Thanks,

- Urs

[Agility]

Also, question about the Compander and Hiss.. I have the Uhx type 1 compander on mixed to about 40% and the hiss and asperity noise set to 0 but I'm getting noise that is pumping with my drums, ie when the kick/snare hit for example, the noise dips... but where is this noise coming from, is it part of the design?

That's exactly the modulation noise these systems were known for. It's in the design. Telcom C4 also suffered from this issue.

I had a feeling so, can hear it on the old records, creates a nice groove!!

Any info on my question of the tape machines, what age is considered a vintage tape machine and what is classed as a modern tape machine?? Example Model names or Decades will do as answer

Thanks.

[Ch00rD]

The latest:

http://www.u-he.com/downloads/Satin/Satin1832Mac.zip
http://www.u-he.com/downloads/Satin/Satin1832Win.zip

Please check if crashes in Group Controller are gone, i.e. loading songs or templates with grouped Satins should work

Presets saved with locked Parameters should also be resurrected now and load just fine

With enough feedback we can still release today

Thanks,

- Urs

After some quick but hopefully thorough enough testing, both issues mentioned earlier seem to have been resolved completely. I can now load presets that were 'broken' earlier, save presets and then load them without issues, and have not managed to reproduce the crashes. Seems we're good to go for 9.09.

[MyOpe]

I have a big problem with feedback in Delay mode :

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B6VJG8H ... sp=sharing

It seems like the buffer gets all messed up. I am experiencing this in Reaper and FLStudio on DS/ASIO drivers and on any sample rate/buffer size.

What revision number is dispayed on the top right?

Its rev.1832

Ok... can you save the preset and send it to us?

Thanks,

- Urs

I have uploaded the preset in both .h2p and .fxp files here:

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id= ... sp=sharing

[Urs]

After some quick but hopefully thorough enough testing, both issues mentioned earlier seem to have been resolved completely. I can now load presets that were 'broken' earlier, save presets and then load them without issues, and have not managed to reproduce the crashes. Seems we're good to go for 9.09.

Thanks so much!

We're trying to fix yet another issue in time - Sascha get's silence in Samplitude and I could confirm that the VST2 Mac version might think of itself as an instrument.

Everything else is pretty much set to go.

We might need to add an info about fixed buffer sizes for the delay...

[SJ_Digriz]

I could confirm that the VST2 Mac version might think of itself as an instrument.

Damn uppity plugins, don't know their place.

[Urs]

I have uploaded the preset in both .h2p and .fxp files here:

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id= ... sp=sharing

Thanks - it sounds fine here.

My gues is that we have a problem with non-fixed buffersizes that are a multiple of 16. Does it go away when you set Satin to "fixed buffer size" in FL Studio and maybe buffersize to 512 samples?

- Urs

[Krakatau]

LOL

Here's another Satin vs VTM comparison. As mentioned, you can't really do it "scientifically" because the two plugs are very different in function. But it might be useful.

It's a reefer song from the 1930's, Killin' Jive. just a living room recording of my band, done on a Zoom R8. The Vocals and guitars are on the same mics, primitive

I mixed it using VTM and then again using Satin, getting both to where I thought they sounded good in the same way. For what it's worth.

To my ears they sound virtually identical in terms of the quality of the "tape effect," even if I tweaked them differently, and I'm confident I could get them to be indistinguishable.

http://chnm.gmu.edu/courses/magic/satin.mp3

http://chnm.gmu.edu/courses/magic/vtm.mp3

Discreetly, but clearly, the first second of strumming intro seems to sound a sounds a bit smoother with satin,

Dunno if some of you might have some synesthetic perception at different degree, yet i'd say that :

- the visualised shapes are a bit melting (relatively common synesthetic perception for "tape warming" effects)

- the black-and-white contrast seems less crude (is there a simulated background hiss ?) and the shapes bigger (a bit like in a "long-focus lens" optical perception)

[MyOpe]

I have uploaded the preset in both .h2p and .fxp files here:

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id= ... sp=sharing

Thanks - it sounds fine here.

My gues is that we have a problem with non-fixed buffersizes that are a multiple of 16. Does it go away when you set Satin to "fixed buffer size" in FL Studio and maybe buffersize to 512 samples?

- Urs

Oh yes, setting the buffersize to multiple of 16 and having satin have the same buffersize worked.

[Ch00rD]

Thanks so much!

We're trying to fix yet another issue in time - Sascha get's silence in Samplitude and I could confirm that the VST2 Mac version might think of itself as an instrument.

Everything else is pretty much set to go.

We might need to add an info about fixed buffer sizes for the delay...

You're welcome.

Hope you manage to fix the remaining issues as well today. Fwiw, the VST2 Mac version correctly shows up as an effect (not instrument) plug-in in REAPER 4.52, Live 8.4.x and 9.0.x.

[Urs]

I have uploaded the preset in both .h2p and .fxp files here:

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id= ... sp=sharing

Thanks - it sounds fine here.

My gues is that we have a problem with non-fixed buffersizes that are a multiple of 16. Does it go away when you set Satin to "fixed buffer size" in FL Studio and maybe buffersize to 512 samples?

- Urs

Oh yes, setting the buffersize to multiple of 16 and having satin have the same buffersize worked.

Cool thanks, we'll add it to the Known Issues section of the Readme for now, and fix in the coming days.

[sascha]

We're trying to fix yet another issue in time - Sascha get's silence in Samplitude

Yes, quite a weird thing. Happened only with the non-hybrid engine, and when Sam sent out buffers that were to process exactly 0 chunks on my end. Zero chunks was the root of all evil in my case... silennce, denormals (cpu through the roof) and uninitialized states. Fixed it.

On the crackling buffer issue in feedback-delay mode:
I'm experiencing it, too, but only on my machine at home, and only with ASIO (E-Mu 1212m). We can't reproduce it here on our office machines.
That demands quite some in-depth investigation. CSI:Charlottenburg...
On our list for an update.