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Tricky-Loops · Post by **Tricky-Loops** » Sat Dec 13, 2014 3:08 am

bluedad wrote:folks let's get back on topic please

It's just to illustrate that the Vietnam war cannot compared with a flame war in an audio forum...so far nobody was killed here at KVR, at least I hope so...

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Sat Dec 13, 2014 3:12 am

Frantz wrote:
Hink wrote:I guess I should be happy that some people put a hint in their thread title and I guess if I listened more I would know who played what
Optional genres in thread titles are fine. This is recommended in the Cafe guidelines if I recall correctly. However, enforcing genre tags on people that don't want them would be unpleasant.

Remember it takes 2 seconds to "drop the needle" in the middle of a SoundCloud track to determine this is a dubstep thing and decide to move on. You can preview and filter tracks pretty quickly.

I'm not a fan of how the thread is titled and the use of the word rubbish, but it seems to me that dropping the needle (love that expression, that was how I learned to play) in the middle of tracks could lead to exactly what ntom is complaining about in the title. It's possible for people to drop the needle many times before they find a song they want to hear more of. That could get old fast

debra1rlo · Post by **debra1rlo** » Sat Dec 13, 2014 3:13 am

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Sat Dec 13, 2014 3:17 am

Tricky-Loops wrote:
bluedad wrote:folks let's get back on topic please
It's just to illustrate that the Vietnam war cannot compared with a flame war in an audio forum...so far nobody was killed here at KVR, at least I hope so...

apples and oranges works just as well and isn't HPC material. Bluedad is spot on, not the time nor the place and surely not the time to tell the mod he is wrong

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Sat Dec 13, 2014 3:18 am

debra1rlo wrote:

Frantz · Post by **Frantz** » Sat Dec 13, 2014 3:19 am

Hink wrote: I'm not a fan of how the thread is titled and the use of the word rubbish, but it seems to me that dropping the needle (love that expression, that was how I learned to play) in the middle of tracks could lead to exactly what ntom is complaining about in the title. It's possible for people to drop the needle many times before they find a song they want to hear more of. That could get old fast

I agree "rubbish" is an unfortunate way of framing the discussion. However, the Music Cafe is not frequented by Grammy winners and Rock 'n Roll Hall of Famers. On an open forum, there are a lot of amateurs and beginners. You have to do a lot of digging to find cool stuff. If you want curated playlists of solid gold, this is not the place to find it.

Tricky-Loops · Post by **Tricky-Loops** » Sat Dec 13, 2014 3:26 am

And what's so bad if there are beginners? Should only people with > 50 years of music experience be allowed to post their songs? Should we make a retirement home out of KVR?

Which right do I have only to listen to songs that I like? Sometimes I listen to a song I don't like, and I can learn WHY I don't like it. There's always something to learn...

Whenever I want to listen to better known musicians, I listen to Spotify, not to KVR...

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Sat Dec 13, 2014 3:27 am

Frantz wrote:
Hink wrote: I'm not a fan of how the thread is titled and the use of the word rubbish, but it seems to me that dropping the needle (love that expression, that was how I learned to play) in the middle of tracks could lead to exactly what ntom is complaining about in the title. It's possible for people to drop the needle many times before they find a song they want to hear more of. That could get old fast
I agree "rubbish" is an unfortunate way of framing the discussion. However, the Music Cafe is not frequented by Grammy winners and Rock 'n Roll Hall of Famers. On an open forum, there are a lot of amateurs and beginners. You have to do a lot of digging to find cool stuff. If you want curated playlists of solid gold, this is not the place to find it.

but isn't that what the thread is about? FWIW I would rather hear my contemporaries' flaws and mistakes than have a bunch of so called hall of famers at the cafe. At least with the former we can benefit each other with advice and constructive criticism, but with the latter I would just be feeding someone's ego

Frantz · Post by **Frantz** » Sat Dec 13, 2014 3:30 am

Tricky-Loops wrote:And what's so bad if there are beginners?...Whenever I want to listen to better known musicians, I listen to Spotify, not to KVR...

I agree completely. I was explaining to Hink, there is going to be lousy stuff along with the gems. Dive in and, if you are patient, you will find some jewels.

Tricky-Loops · Post by **Tricky-Loops** » Sat Dec 13, 2014 3:39 am

Frantz wrote:
Tricky-Loops wrote:And what's so bad if there are beginners?...Whenever I want to listen to better known musicians, I listen to Spotify, not to KVR...
I agree completely. I was explaining to Hink, there is going to be lousy stuff along with the gems. Dive in and, if you are patient, you will find some jewels.

But that's not a specialty of KVR. Sometimes I listen to songs in a remix contest, and from 100 songs there might be 15 songs which are extraordinary, the rest sounds like EDM Killer Hook Construction Kit Volume 599...

But then always the worst song of the 15 best songs wins...

trimph1 · Post by **trimph1** » Sat Dec 13, 2014 4:14 am

bluedad wrote:
trimph1 wrote:
Tricky-Loops wrote:I remember murnau posting as feedback to my song: "You wasted 3 minutes of my life..."

But after this intermezzo the guy was pretty friendly, and we had a good contact.

I'm wondering where he is now, I haven't seen him here at KVR since summer...

Maybe I should make a thread about missing KVR members...
I am wondering the same thing about murnau. I hope things are well with him.
murnau said he was taking some time off; I think school?

Good to know!!

ntom · Post by **ntom** » Sat Dec 13, 2014 10:19 am

Hink wrote: I'm not a fan of how the thread is titled and the use of the word rubbish,

Then again, what would the turn out of responses have been to this thread if I had titled it differently? I have posted similar whiny, complaining threads before that quickly sunk to the bottom with little response.
The "(probably)" part is there to say, judging based on the content of the titles of the threads in the cafe, I made a quick assumption that the tracks are rubbish. Titles like, "Check my new phat beatz" and "Will.i.am Remix - Super Pro" and "Remix - More Bass" and stuff like that.

While I agree there should be subforums for collective music domains, I think spreading all of the music out into a bunch of different genres can get messy. I think ideally the best way was if the genre tag in the title was enforced a little more strictly (and a post limit, as already discussed). I always, ALWAYS, try my best to give people an idea of what to expect from the music posted in my posted thread (i.e.) and while I'm not always the best at figuring out what tag to use, I try my best!
I have used nearly the exact same title format...almost since I started posting to KVR (aside from - maybe - my first couple of posts). Artist - Track Title [Genre]

I just want to say that I know I come off as a completely rude tosser in my OP, but I'm not saying "f*ck all that new-age shit. F*ck all those new kids who don't know a DAMN thing about music. F*ck everyone except people who have been apart of KVR at a minimum for the length of time I have been a member" because that would just be dumb. I like listening to artists who do their first song: Yeah it's not something I would take with me on the road, but if the poster becomes a regular of KVR, I get to watch how their music grows from there.
And there are some artists who post to KVR who may write a song in a boring ol' EDM genre: but you know what? Just because most music posted in that genre tend to be trite, doesn't mean someone can't do something interesting in that genre. Hell, I have done some commercial-esque style music myself, I would be a hypocrite if I said I didn't. But I know what I DON'T like about commercial-esque music, so I know how to avoid it and make something fresh out of it. Obviously to me, it's a song I enjoy, but by no means am I saying it's now superior to all the other commercial-esque tracks now.
I guess it more comes back to what someone else had mentioned previously in the thread; how it more comes down to the personality of the artist, rather than the content of their post. On this forum, I would rather listen to a persons music who is a regular, someone who also engages the community, rather than someone who is just marketing themselves and nothing else.

Doug1978 · Post by **Doug1978** » Sat Dec 13, 2014 11:31 am

Too much unnecessary KVR fretting going on here - just skip past the songs you don't like (or make some you do like).

People need to go out more and have sex in public places. It's a great weekend for it

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Sat Dec 13, 2014 12:28 pm

it really isnt doug, its bloody freezing.
you know the effect that can have on a man, not a confidence booster at all

herodotus · Post by **herodotus** » Sat Dec 13, 2014 12:41 pm

vurt wrote:it really isnt doug, its bloody freezing.
you know the effect that can have on a man, not a confidence booster at all

Freezing? It's a balmy 42 degrees Fahrenheit out there!

Although I must say I really don't see the appeal if there is a bedroom handy.

A rise of "Page 22" (post by Jan) rubbish in the Cafe?