KVR Audio

vintagevibe · Post by **vintagevibe** » Sat Nov 14, 2015 3:43 am

jinotsuh wrote:
vintagevibe wrote:
chrisby wrote: to my defense was called "bitflipper" or something if I remember.

The same guy that you are talking about gets on and starts basically reciting a call center script of things to do that have absolutely nothing to do with my issue. He then get's all snooty an arrogant when he you don't follow his instructions. More than just a waste of time it's actually pretty insulting. Then of course the rest of the "gang" chimes in that it's not a Sonar problem yada yada yada ad nauseum. This is the standard thread on the Sonar forum and is not an anomaly. So with this situation going on what does Cakewalk do ... they make him a moderator. He eventually got fired from it so he changed his name and continues with "business as usual". Anyway it's not just him it's all the main people who use the forum as their social life that have turned it into what it is. The sad thing is that Craig encourages it and joins in.
hmmm, I may be misunderstanding something here, but when the previous poster mentioned bitflipper and then you said "The same guy that you are talking about . . . " I don't think that you are talking about the same person, vintagevibe I believe you are talking about Doktor Avalanche (CakeAlex) would I be right, not bitflipper ? I have always found bitflipper to be just about the pick of the bunch when it comes to hosts, as for Doktor Avalanche, he is a pita.

I agree with everything else you say, especially it is never Sonars fault etc etc

I was talking about Doktor Avalanche (CakeAlex) - NOT BITFLIPPER! Bit is a great guy and very smart. Sorry if I was unclear.

vintagevibe · Post by **vintagevibe** » Sat Nov 14, 2015 3:50 am

jsp1979 wrote:
flugel45 wrote:Definitely not bitflipper. Bitflipper is about as low key as they come, and he has never changed his name -- he is still a moderator.

Agree. The person cannot possibly be talking about bitflipper. He's one of the kindest, most laidback, helpful posters that I've ever met on any audio forum.

He also writes helpful articles for soundbytes magazine.

You are correct. I was definitely not talking about bitflipper.

vintagevibe · Post by **vintagevibe** » Sat Nov 14, 2015 3:51 am

incubus · Post by **incubus** » Sat Nov 14, 2015 5:40 am

Is this still going on?

20-40% better awaits you.

vintagevibe · Post by **vintagevibe** » Sat Nov 14, 2015 6:16 am

incubus wrote:Is this still going on?

20-40% better awaits you.

incubus · Post by **incubus** » Sat Nov 14, 2015 7:42 am

Still the greatest thread eva!

pwal · Post by **pwal** » Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:35 pm

vintagevibe wrote:dupe

are you simulating the cake forum with these dupes?

vintagevibe · Post by **vintagevibe** » Sat Nov 14, 2015 4:14 pm

pwal wrote:
vintagevibe wrote:dupe
are you simulating the cake forum with these dupes?

Not trying to! The forum gods must be angry.

vintagevibe · Post by **vintagevibe** » Sun Nov 15, 2015 6:32 pm

incubus wrote:Still the greatest thread eva!

That thread will survive the nuclear holocaust.

AKJ · Post by **AKJ** » Wed Nov 18, 2015 11:11 am

this thread explains a lot about KVR

Otherworldly · Post by **Otherworldly** » Wed Nov 18, 2015 3:51 pm

AKJ wrote:this thread explains a lot about KVR

Kudos to the OP and KVR

Unbiased, constructive criticism based on long-term experience and facts.

Hank the Knife · Post by **Hank the Knife** » Sun Nov 22, 2015 12:39 pm

Proclaiming a negative propaganda (the 'blame' is on the negative comments directed at Sonar) doesn't work in the long run as well. Even amongst mobsters it doesn't work in the long run... in any way: Craig Anderton wasn't trained at the Vatican

lingyai · Post by **lingyai** » Sun Nov 22, 2015 9:00 pm

From Cakewalk's CTO, of all people, in the aforementioned Sonar forum thread:

"TBH I seriously doubt that some of the people who obsess about bug fixes actually make any music themselves

Music is the whole point of buying and using this software, not keeping track of bugs.
Write some songs or talk about how you are making music with SONAR instead, which is the primary objective of this forum. It will be way more valuable to others than obsessing about the software. "

A gift to the haters, truly worth 1000 rants. And not so encouraging to those of us on the fence, that this richly-spec'd but rather buggy software will improve.

LawrenceF · Post by **LawrenceF** » Sun Nov 22, 2015 10:16 pm

I have no dog in this fight. I don't own or use Sonar and never have. However, it's very clear to me, reading that comment, that some people have real issues understanding plain English and will take offense at almost anything.

That quote is quite literally true, for almost if not all daw products. That "some" (look that word up in Webster's) people who go on these crusades about things (bugs, features) aren't making music, or much. In fact, "some" of them actually quite literally don't and have never even legally owned some of the products they crusade against.

Just because that's quite literally true for "some" doesn't mean he meant "everybody making bug reports", or eveyone complaining about a bug.

He's right. Of the people complaining most on any daw forum, some of them are complaining just to complain and aren't doing anything of consequence musically if at all while shouting how critical everything is.

The real problem is that it's often enough hard to know which ones those actually are. But yeah, still not good PR to say thise things out loud.

This explains a lot about Cakewalk/Sonar