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[Lunch Money]

I hope price is reasonable, because with Amplitube 2 coming out and its bazillions of options, this will need to be either something extremely special, or be a good value-for-money in order to compete.

At the end of the day, though, it's not all about the GUI, but about the sound.
Sorry Greg, I could'nt resist.

I think I already agreed with you, so no need to apologize. Check the rest of my post. I'd buy it with even host GUI if the sound is right.

Just trust your ears and not that Amplitube2 hype of
20.000 amp combinations.

Yes, but part of the hype is also that the modelling is very realistic. It's not like the advance press is saying ONLY that there are so many combinations. They're also saying that the sounds are amazing. THAT's what you need to consider, because if a user DOES trust his ears and finds Amplitube 2 to be very good sounding, yours WILL have to be extremely special OR a good price in order to compete.

I wanted a strait forward user interface for guitar players, not for astronauts.
Tweak a few knobs and get the sound you want.
Then concentrate on whats it all about,
to play some great sounding music !

I agree. But a few knobs will NOT get you the sound you want always, if your tastes range from cranked Marshall to Triple-Rectifier to twangy Twin to jangly un-driven Vox.

So the question remains, and you don't have to answer it right now (it's only rhetorical): what will the price be, and will it be seen as value-for-money for either a) one/two sounds, but GREAT ones, or b) versatility combined with great sound.

Don't get me wrong... my amp modeler of choice is Green Machine II right now, so I'm not an IK fan or 'blind believer', I'm simply pointing out to you that with Amplitube2 coming out which is allegedly (nobody knows yet) versatile AND great-sounding, you're going to have to choose your marketing strategy and price very carefully if you want customers.

Greg

[Midiworks]

For explications of the "draft" GUI, please read here:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 2951cd4a5b

I think I already agreed with you, so no need to apologize.

I just did not wanted to apear unpolite.

Yes, but part of the hype is also that the modelling is very realistic.

It just can't get more "real" than my modeling.
That is what makes this amp sound so real.

Let me quote Rik, he said it so well.

It just sounds so real, tell us the truth! Aren't you feeding these demos into a real amp with a mic ? Erik.

It is all pure software, no preamp, nothing !
Just the guitar pluged right into the sound card.
Try this with Amplitube or Guitar Rig and you will
hear what comes out then....

It's not like the advance press is saying ONLY that there are so many combinations. They're also saying that the sounds are amazing. THAT's what you need to consider, because if a user DOES trust his ears and finds Amplitube 2 to be very good sounding, yours WILL have to be extremely special OR a good price in order to compete.

The amp is quite special and fills a gap, that was and is in other virtual amps.
To sound and "feel" as close as posible to the real thing.

I agree. But a few knobs will NOT get you the sound you want always, if your tastes range from cranked Marshall to Triple-Rectifier to twangy Twin to jangly un-driven Vox.

You are right, I need to put up some other demo mp3s,
that will exactly show this side of the amp.

Still, to do what you discribed, only a few
knobs and buttons are nessesary.

So the question remains, and you don't have to answer it right now (it's only rhetorical): what will the price be, and will it be seen as value-for-money for either a) one/two sounds, but GREAT ones, or b) versatility combined with great sound.

I answered that question a long time ago,
even tho I was unsure, if I can keep it at that price...
By now, there are more people involved than just me.

What will be the price?
Any chance for a introduction price / discount?

Starting price will be $225
for a period of 4 weeks after release.

After that time the price will be raised to $250


There will be a special price for low income countrys.
Like most parts of east Europa will only pay 10% of the price.

$25

(payments must be done through these countrys)

The same goes four most parts of south-east Asia,
China, Africa, south America and other countrys.

It is a hard task to get this right and fair.
But it would be unfair to push poor countrys into using illegal copies,
just because it would be "impossible" for them to buy the product legaly.

[Sascha Franck]

There will be a special price for low income countrys.
Like most parts of east Europa will only pay 10% of the price.
[...]
But it would be unfair to push poor countrys into using illegal copies,
just because it would be "impossible" for them to buy the product legaly.

Wow, that's a truly great idea!

Problem is, I can allready see some "software tourism" coming up, such as "oh, let me ask my friend in india to buy me a copy".

The idea itself however is just great and I wish it'll be successful.

[Lunch Money]

Midiworks: That price is just 'on the line'. It's low enough to warrant consideration, but high enough to make the user REALLY need to think about it and test it before committing. It's not a no-brainer price, that's for sure.

If it IS as good as you feel it is, though, you WILL have a customer base, which makes me happy regardless of whether or not *I* become one of those customers. I want you to succeed.

From what I've heard, it DOES blow away Amplitube. I just don't know that it'll blow away Amplitube 2 yet. It remains to be seen. The price will certainly be better, though, so that gives you an edge.

Greg

[b2d]

the more i look at that gui the more i love it, really wanna try a demo soon!

[xoxos]

gui shimmers..

that's a totally crazy idea.. that shimering must've got to ya

[championrabbit]

Sorry, but that price is crazy.

Learn from Toontrack's example; keep the price crazy-low, sell many, many copies and don't worry about warez.

I suggest $50.

$250 is just a crazy price; however good it may or may not be, most guitar-playing PC recorders will already have at least one amp-sim and I just don't think that any improvement at this stage in the game is worth many people's $250.

Not from an unproven comapny who may cease to support the product at any point.

It's just a bad business strategy.

I am CERTAIN that by reducing the price to 1/5th of what you suggest, you will sell more than 5 times as many copies and thus will make more money.

Plus there'll be more legit users.

None of this is in any way a criticism of the plug though; it may be fantastic or it may not. I shall certainly have a look when you release it.

Good luck!!

[b2d]

gui shimmers..

that's a totally crazy idea.. that shimering must've got to ya

yeah you could be right

[Lunch Money]

I was trying to be diplomatic, but even for North American consumers, $250 IS a lot for an unproven product by a new company-- particularly since I don't imagine it will even come in a boxed version with printed manual. Not that you will NEED a box OR a manual (and I'd take the download option anyway if both were available), but it speaks to the marketing power and dedication of the company.

$50 would see copies FLY out the doors, but even $70-100 would make it a serious contender for even budget-conscious people's money.

If I had the spare $250 (which I don't), I would be more likely to spend it on a J-Station or even something non-guitar related.

Greg

[Sicklecell666]

$250 is too expensive, period. I appreciate the development time & whatnot, but I can't think of very many people that are going to accomodate that asking price, especially with how many amp VST's are out/emerging.

You'll make much more money selling more licenses for less, establish a larger userbase who would have a high chance of seeding/financing future works via pre-ordering based on existing quality and everyone would be happy.

I hope you reconsider, cause I wouldn't come near it for $250 and I CAN afford it.

Either way, best of luck to you, I know you worked on this for a long time.

[scuzzphut]

Being brutally honest - I wouldn't even demo it if I knew it was $250. Sure - it competes with Amplitube and Guitar Rig - but they're too expensive, too.

That said, only *you* know how much heart and soul you poured into this plugin and therefore only you can set a price that you feel comfortable with.

Good luck , whatever you do. The GUI is certainly lovely

[Midiworks]

Sorry, but that price is crazy.

Learn from Toontrack's example; keep the price crazy-low, sell many, many copies and don't worry about warez.

I suggest $50.

What about $499 for Guitar Rig or $399 for Amplitube ?
Those ARE crazy prices.

Specialy considering that they cant even touch the sound of this amp.

most guitar-playing PC recorders will already have at least one amp-sim and I just don't think that any improvement at this stage in the game is worth many people's $250.

Any improvement at this stage ?
Just use your ears and compare, then you will hear who's products need improvements.

Not from an unproven comapny who may cease to support the product at any point.

Unknown company name, sure.
But does this automaticaly means unproven people ?
I dont think so.

The curtain will be lifted soon enough.

None of this is in any way a criticism of the plug though; it may be fantastic or it may not. I shall certainly have a look when you release it.

Good luck!!

Thanks for your thoughts

[Cyprus]

250 bucks is nuts for that product. If it was priced at 50 bucks I guarantee it would fly out the door. The problem is that it doesn't have a nitch, it doesn't have a lot of features, it's from a new "company" which is really just some dude, it's just SUPPOSEDLY a good sounding VST amp, and that's it.

BUT, on the plus side is that you can always work the price down. If you start it off at 250 bucks and sales aren't going the way you want them to you can gradually bring it down. While it'd be a lot harder to price it cheap and then realize you made a mistake and try to bring the price up.

But I'll tell you this right now, when you release that you'll realize real quick that 250 is priced way too high. But like anything it's a learning experience.

[ZioKiller]

250$ ??
At this price I bet it'll take no more than 2 days to end up in the world of warezed softwares. You'll see more cracked copies than legit ones.

At this point I think I made the best choice: a Behringer V-AMP Pro for 160€, right out of the box, I can carry it anywhere with me and I always can get the sound I want, without worrying about cpu load, latency, soundcard's input impedance.. etc..

I wish you a great luck with the sales.

[Sascha Franck]

I *think* 250 is a bit high too.
But, from what I've heard so far, this one will be sounding just right.

Would like to get my hands on it.