Reason 3 is simply awesome.

[headquest]

Do the hats host plugins?

(If not, they're crap).

[Meffy]

Are you kidding? Just look at those decorations. We're talking ballsy sound here.

[TVD]

What was the point of this post? If you like reason alot, tell propellerhead, not us. Yeah, and it is in the wrong forum. Oh, and Fruityloops Studio is much better. I've had substantial experience with both, and I have concluded that you can just simply do more with FL Studio. Really, consider FL Studio. Download the demo, spend a few days with it, see what you end up liking more.

Reason is VERY easy to learn, which can be a good thing if you're in a hurry, but it takes a much longer time to make a song than with Fruityloops Studio. FL Studio is a very complex virtual studio, so it might take you a while to learn, but trust me, it will be more than worth it. Really, I think the whole "Reason is the pro tool and FL is a toy" should be switched around. People need to start realizing what FL Studio can REALLY do, and what Reason REALLY can't.

Preach my FLS brother!!!!

[headquest]

[sonicfire]

I f****** hate FL's pattern principle! My 0,2391 cents

[TVD]

I'm just have fun with THIS waste thread. Don't sweat it.

[TVD]

I f****** hate FL's pattern principle! My 0,2391 cents

Patterns are cool. Just ask the Live, Orion, Acid Pro, and FL Studio-users.

But if Classical & Jazz are your thing, then patterns are not for you.

[sgx]

And Project5 users.

I hated patterns (like in FL studio) till I began using P5 a bunch. It's pretty nice IMO. My problem is I can't see a representation of the midi data or audio data when in the sequencer view. I don't like FL's playlist way of arranging the patterns by just showing you a little block.

Using Reason's sequencer and grouping things is almost the same as using patterns. It's just that in pattern hosts, if you change one instance of a pattern, they all will update, and that is very nice. I wish Reason's groups could be set to do that.

[Maniah]

....it keeps going and going and going and....

[headquest]

I'm just have fun with THIS waste thread. Don't sweat it.

No worries

Patterns are cool. Just ask the Live, Orion, Acid Pro, and FL Studio-users.

I agree. In fact, Ableton Live is my main host, so I was being ironic. Damn, I really need that sarcasm emoticon spaceman suggested!

But if Classical & Jazz are your thing, then patterns are not for you.

Actually, classical and jazz basically ARE my thing, and I still like the pattern paradigm. For jazz, chord patterns underly everything, while in classical music minimalism is the big thing still at present.

Using Reason's sequencer and grouping things is almost the same as using patterns.

Agreed. Most of my Reason tracks start off as pattern based (except straight instrumental improvisations, such as "Departures" for which I previously provided the link).

It's just that in pattern hosts, if you change one instance of a pattern, they all will update, and that is very nice. I wish Reason's groups could be set to do that.

I like it that changing one pattern is unique. I do this in both Reason and Sonar, but in Ableton I need to consolidate clips first to avoid all the clips changing. For me the joy of working with patterns is to gradually evolve and transform them.

[headquest]

....it keeps going and going and going and....

...the same themes keep recurring. Just like Wagner. Classic.

[Meffy]

Yeah, a light Moe-teeth. You got it.

[headquest]

[BONES]

and to clear it up for you, my point was that they more than likely know a f**k of a lot more about production than you do

Why? How does that work. They probably sit around in studios waiting for engineers and producers to do everything for them. They certainly haven't been at it for as long as I have so I really don't see how they would necessarily know a damned thing. Of course its possible that they are right into it and its even likely that they are good at it. What's certain is that they have a lot more time to f**k about with things that are in no way efficient. What's equally likely is that they've never heard of 3/4 of the tools that we talk about here on a daily basis and they use Reason because someone gave it to them in the hope that they would.

nhaa thanks mate, your music is shit and some review is not going to change that

Phewww! I'd be deeply concerned if it were any other way.

So you're good... while everyone who actually communicates through their music, moves their audience and touches lives is merely popular (but by implication rubbish). Sorry dude but that just sounds delusional.

The opposite of every fact is not necessarily also a fact. So just because popular does not equal good should not imply that unpopular automatically does mean good. Popular is popular, good is good. Of course there are things that are both popular and good but these things are, in my experience, the exception rather than the rule. And there are plenty of things which are neither good nor popular.
The point is simple, you cannot use sales as any kind of measure of how good something is.

we are not interested in selling albums except in as far as it helps us to get gigs.

It generally works the other way around, because most artists want there music to last.

Really? I think you'll find they just want to be popular on some level. You know, so they can pull chicks and stuff. I'm not like that.

So which of the three labels isn't paying you?

It all goes through our management. They consolidate it and send us the money. Although I don't think we've ever got any money from our Russian label, except for mechanicals.

Oh, you'd probably be dominating the airwaves, winning grammys, etc. But you don't want to profit in any way, you shun success, fame and money, because they're just SOOO uncool.

Not even close. It would be awesome if the kind of music I liked was popular and we could make a living from doing what we do but I would have to go back at least 5 years to think of even a single song I heard on the radio and liked even a little bit. Some people might feel that popularity is important enough to them, for whatever reason, that they would be willing to compromise. e.g. I get the impression that VNV Nation do what they do because it allows them to make a living from music, rather than because it is exactly the kind of music they want to make. Their choice, they seem a little cynical about it to be honest but the're doing what they want to do. But popularity is not something that ranks in any way with me. There is no reason at all for me to seek it and plenty of reasons to avoid it.

BTW, no member of my family has ever heard any of my recorded output. Ever.

Crumbs I don't know quite where to start commenting on that I mean, who's ashamed of who?

How do you figure that? No-one in my family is interested in the same music I am, why would I force them to listen to what we do? Like I said, that shit is not important to me in any way. I neither seek nor need anyone's approval [or dissaprocal] for anything I do. What woud be the point of playing electro-industrial music to people whose record collection is full of Nat King Cole and Ella Fitzgerald records? Just to get a pat on the back from idiots wh ohave no idea what it is? That's a pathetic notion. Same with my army aquaintences, a few of them have expressed interest [just to be polite, I'm sure] but what would be the point of playing what we do to people whose record collection is populated with The Eagles and Billy Joel albums?

Nothing personal Bones, but if you deliberately go out of your way to insult other KVRers and trash threads simply for the sake of being a prat then you are setting yourself up to be insulted right the way back.

Feel free, I value your opinion at least as much as my folks'.

I've not listened to your music, I've not tried out your VST plugins, and have no intention of doing so ... because I tend to respect and support developers and musicians who have a constructive approach. You have simply behaved on this thread like an arrogant tosser.

Why? Because I have perfectly valid criticism and the best you can come up with is "because"? Look back at the thread, FaX is about the only pro-Reason contributor who has actually made any kind of persuasive contribution. The rest of you have carried on like teenagers.

[Hovmod]

Look back at the thread, FaX is about the only pro-Reason contributor who has actually made any kind of persuasive contribution. The rest of you have carried on like teenagers.

Hm. Funny. I didn't realize this was a thread where we're supposed to convince or persuade anyone. It seemed to me it was about one guy having a good day at the computer, and he felt like telling us.