KVR Audio

glokraw · Post by **glokraw** » Thu Feb 02, 2012 1:18 am

ttoz wrote: But i'd really rather support podium and energyXT and Mulab. That's how i feel on the host front. Those devs need the help more.
Cool??

Very cool.
Those are small devs, with good products. Reaper is also a small dev team.
If one dislikes the success of reaper, financial or otherwise, why would you
want to help other small devs inch towards it? Success is good.
(Gordon Gekko teaser)

Equal opportunity does not guarantee equal outcome. Not all devs
or other type of recipients will have the same motivation, skill, working environment, and support system. Wars, natural disasters,
and personal calamities being a nemesis.

Generosity is like a football, once you hand it off, the runner now
must make the best of it. Some will be slow or clumsy, but still thrive
on the run, so a perceived 'fumble' during a charitable event, is not
always the end of the story, and may be part of a much larger victory
in the future.

AstralExistence · Post by **AstralExistence** » Thu Feb 02, 2012 1:36 am

this thread is a bit weird. but interesting too. i myself live off disability and get 100 usd to play with every month. i wouldn't say im poor, because i do get 100 for myself after bills. im still well below the means of poverty and also live in subsidized housing, get food stamps. and cant work due having aspergers among numerous other mental disabilities. that said, while this thread has much heart, goodwill, and human honesty behind it. it really misses the whole point of what do the poor need vs what do the poor want.

sure id love to have some better software, but do i need it, not really. i mean, it be awesome to get some new fx plugins or synths but even if i never had them, theirs decent enough freeware that all i would need is a host. which though i have reaper and fl id like something cooler like renoise or something, but again, i could afford renoise. but the issue is not about beggin for vst handouts but rather for those that don't even have a host. now that's hard.

because theres really no such thing as a free host. so somebody donating a host would be a nice thing to do. i agree we should not support warezers be it trying to 'go legit' warez use is a moral issue rather then a money issue. its you use warez, youve already decided that its ok to do and morality isnt something that can be solved by charity. what i do think is a great idea is developers offering a non commercial license for those that will never do anything commercial. and, maybe it be a good idea if developers used a sliding scale for those on disability.

of course, you could'nt really verify if somebody was poor or not and this would have to be based on the honour system, which again would again lead to a bunch of dishonest people trying to get free stuff and before you know it, you would have created more problems then can be solved. unfortunately theirs no real answer on what can be done about this. and infact i highly doubt those who are truly poor are worried about creative expression.

rockstar_not · Post by **rockstar_not** » Thu Feb 02, 2012 1:45 am

ttoz wrote:yes freeware is great. We don't need anything else. That's why we don't spend money on things here. WHat a load of complete and utter B U L L S H I T.

so the ones saying if they can;t afford it they can have freeware, great attitude, NOT.

I'll try make it clear again. I want to help those who can;t afford what the many of us here have, so they have the same chance at us and same tools that they could otherwise never own.

Back this up with some actual reasons and maybe you'll change my mind. Honestly, nearly everything I use is freeware. I use Tracktion 3 ultimate bundle which I got from musician's friend for $19.

I've won the KVR song contest more than once and the prizes were not freeware, but guess what I won the songs with - freeware tools.

No, I'm not rich and famous because of my hobby, but I sure have lots of fun, have learned a great deal, all with freeware. Cmuzys started me off.

So, explain to me why this is bull with some reasoning - I'm curious.

glokraw · Post by **glokraw** » Thu Feb 02, 2012 1:50 am

ttoz wrote:Ok, i'm open to hearing other opinions of course, but that's what i kind of thought.

Thank you shallow.

http://macpup.org/ A small 164 meg fast attractive linux. burn the iso to cd
reboot using early boot menu to choose cd

or the big preconfigured-for-audio-studio kahuna, 2.2 gig for dvd, vids posted earlier on page 13

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... &start=180 scroll down

These run in ram, will not access your drives unless you want to.

Most non-dongled plugins will work in EnergyXT2.5 or reaper, using wineasio.
NI, IK, Camel, Zebra, Fortune, Wusik, Algomusic, the freeware classics etc etc

(slight bonus: Puppy Linux is designed your fellow Aussie, Barry Kauler )

grymmjack · Post by **grymmjack** » Thu Feb 02, 2012 1:54 am

ttoz wrote:Fair enough Grymmjack and you know i have total respect for you, and from my end at least, i am sorry if it seemed in any way i wanted to help "narcissst douchebags".

I think on WINDOWS at least, bootsy has made the art of fantastic plugins for FREE available to everyone.

On mac the story is truly different, if you want quality, you mostly need to pay.

If anything, windows users owe so MUCH to Jeff Synthedit and Synthmaker, that they will never know. Funny how those two are often looked down and frowned upon, but have brought so much to the community.

THOSE guys deserve mega respect and possible a good idea for a donation to synthedit. That could be another, when someone wants synthedit to create their own plugins. Cool idea.

Only one thing i don't agree about Grymm, i don't think we have everything in freeware that we could ever need, but here i am talking about hosts.

This whole topic was born really in my mind about hosts, not plugins. Truth. (and most good hosts include everything you will ever need itb anyway).

Mulab free and podium free. Both excellent. Mulab is cross platform too. On Osx there is too good freeware. GarageBand comes with it and there are synths drum plugs and effects too. Not trying to pick at you though. NI players are all free, highlife by George, shortcircuit, etc.

Just saying! Pc is definitely better for freeware. you are right but there is enough for Mac too.

Don't mistake me I wasn't implying you were trying to help the DBs just that I cannot stand that attitude and there are people already using this thread that seem that way looking to capitalize on the kindness. But when offered things they decline without grace.

glokraw · Post by **glokraw** » Thu Feb 02, 2012 2:05 am

AstralExistence wrote: and infact i highly doubt those who are truly poor are worried about creative expression.

Some great musicians live in tribal regions, music thriving on kalimbas,
hand made flutes, and the list goes on and on. I think your meaning was,
'survival is the priority daily struggle' for many people. Agreed.
But even tragedy has inspired great music. Our opinions comment
on greatness, but do not necessarily define it.
Cheers

AstralExistence · Post by **AstralExistence** » Thu Feb 02, 2012 2:09 am

glokraw wrote:
AstralExistence wrote: and infact i highly doubt those who are truly poor are worried about creative expression.
Some great musicians live in tribal regions, music thriving on kalimbas,
hand made flutes, and the list goes on and on. I think your meaning was,
'survival is the priority daily struggle' for many people. Agreed.
But even tragedy has inspired great music. Our opinions comment
on greatness, but do not necessarily define it.
Cheers

not really, this is a vst forum, so what i meant was, those that are poor arent worried about computer software. but were on the same page.

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glokraw · Post by **glokraw** » Thu Feb 02, 2012 2:57 am

AstralExistence wrote:
glokraw wrote:
AstralExistence wrote: and infact i highly doubt those who are truly poor are worried about creative expression.
Some great musicians live in tribal regions, music thriving on kalimbas,
hand made flutes, and the list goes on and on. I think your meaning was,
'survival is the priority daily struggle' for many people. Agreed.
But even tragedy has inspired great music. Our opinions comment
on greatness, but do not necessarily define it.
Cheers
not really, this is a vst forum, so what i meant was, those that are poor arent worried about computer software. but were on the same page.

Yes, not worried about missing out on the unknown. I was oblivious
to all this at one point, spent many a moon staring blankly at
strange new things. When opportunities arise, good things can happen.
Raspberry Pi motherboard, for example, has great potential.
Cheers

AstralExistence · Post by **AstralExistence** » Thu Feb 02, 2012 3:07 am

ttoz wrote:I still don't think freeware hosts with such imposing track limitations can be used for major production. I just don't.

Well, maybe with eons of bouncing and freeing up.

isn't mulab free a 4 track for example?

This is not the 60's anymore lol.

as a demo, to see which host they like, yeah, for sure.

I really do like the idea of supporting indi devs

i agree. there's reaper which is quasi free or a charcoal area. to tell you the truth, reaper is the closest host to being free. if only the developer justin would say, those that makes less then_ a year can use reaper non commercially for free. maybe there could even be a reaper 'poor' version which would remove the nag screen. hey,im brainstorming! justin is quite rich so if there was any developer that could do this it would be justin. of course its based on the honour system but then again, it would weed out the honest people from the dishonest because only the honest people would be interested in the offer the rest would pirate reaper like they do every piece of software.

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Thu Feb 02, 2012 3:43 am

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davidka · Post by **davidka** » Thu Feb 02, 2012 3:55 am

Karmacomposer · Post by **Karmacomposer** » Thu Feb 02, 2012 4:39 am

Here you go:

http://www.academicsuperstore.com/produ ... AR/1488581

http://www.pgmusic.com/powertracks.htm

http://studioone.presonus.com/shop/buy- ... ne-artist/

http://ntrack.com/

All of these work just fine. Powertracks Pro is the cheapest of the bunch, but it works very well. Also, by pgmusic, is Band in a Box - now that is not the greatest DAW ever created, but it now comes with RealBand, and THAT is an excellent DAW and sequencer. Both Powertracks and RealBand play vst effects and vsti instruments and have midi editing and audio tracks, so they qualify as DAWs. N track has been around for a LONG time - longer than some major DAWs.

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/sep07/a ... n_0907.htm

I am sure I will find more.

I disagree with winning competitions as a way to hand out to the needy musicians - that just makes it ever harder for a amateur starving artist to gain access to this idea - just because they may not be good enough to create music everyone wants to hear or likes the most. Nope. That is, unfortunately, elitist and not a good way to do this.

Mike

Initiative to help the less fortunate obtain legit software and help spread the love. Seriously.