Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI VST/AU "MIDI Guitar"- BETA TEST

[Kaspar]

We will also appreciate recordings of other instruments such as the Chapman Stick, bass guitar and others.

I uploaded the recordings of single notes with the 10-String Grand Stick.

[ariajazz]

BTW would it be possible to add five small buttons under the slider for octave switch? maybe -2, -1, 0, +1, +2 would be much more easy for quick octave changes.

Joe

Agree. These little things take a software and/or plugin to a pro level making things more practical and easier. The same applies to the "arrows" on the different control settings, sensitivity, pitch, etc. They should move values step by step and not the randomly way they behave.

PLEASE don't forget PITCH BEND feature.

[Eleventh]

I just gave the 0.4 version a try after an underwhelming experience with 0.2, and was just blown away by the tracking improvements! Using the "bright guitar" settings definitely improved things by a lot, and also the latency seems to have decreased. Now, two things come to mind that could use some improvement though:

Playing chords with voicings which have two adjacent notes, like for example:

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The plugin doesn't seem to be very good at telling those close notes apart, which isn't surprising really. If I play them all together with fingers, it misses a couple of notes. If I pick them one at a time, the lower of the two close ones gets overridden by the higher one. Same thing when strummed up to down. Down-to-up strum works correctly.

Another thing: I think the plugin could be more optimised for finger style play. Due to latency and not always perfect tracking (although it is amazing, especially for a non-hexaphonic detection), I don't really feel like playing a strumming style, but I would rather like to use fingerstyle to play chords. This is where the tracking isn't so good though, particularly when picking several strings at once.

Anyway, I'd like to repeat that I'm extremely pleased with the improvements in the new version, you've definitely done hell of a job with this one. Thank you for developing this great plugin!

PS. I'm using the VST version, and I have a compressor (with even 10-20db GR during strumming), an exciter and a volume adjustment in the chain before MIDI Guitar, and this seems to improve the tracking a lot. Without these plugins, the sensitivity isn't quite enough even at 100 to respond to my light touch.

[JamOrigin]

I just gave the 0.4 version a try after an underwhelming experience with 0.2, and was just blown away by the tracking improvements! Using the "bright guitar" settings definitely improved things by a lot, and also the latency seems to have decreased. Now, two things come to mind that could use some improvement though:

What kind of guitar setup are you using? It almost sounds like your a using a acoustic guitar and microphone, which is not an ideal setup for MIDI Guitar.

If not, and your using a electric guitar through an audio interface, we would be very interested in getting recordings of your guitar so we can improve the recognition.

BTW would it be possible to add five small buttons under the slider for octave switch? maybe -2, -1, 0, +1, +2 would be much more easy for quick octave changes.

Joe

Agree. These little things take a software and/or plugin to a pro level making things more practical and easier. The same applies to the "arrows" on the different control settings, sensitivity, pitch, etc. They should move values step by step and not the randomly way they behave.

PLEASE don't forget PITCH BEND feature.

Thank you for this valuable feedback.

The octave buttons have been added and will be available in the next version.

We see what you mean with the sliders, on a single click the values might move different amount each time you click. This has now been fixed for the next version.

If you have any further suggestions that you feel could make MIDI Guitar a better product, please let us know. We are open to all suggestions.

[aaron aardvark]

<<Do you mean audio track? Everything is recorded digitally in Cubase.>>

What I meant was audio and not midi

I just tried an audio track, yet Guitar MIDI does not show up as a possible effect choice for that track.

Did you put MIDIGuitar .dll in your Steinberg VST plugins folder? If it's in your vst folder, it should show up as an available plugin in Cubase.

Thank you for replying! From this thread, I downloaded MIDI-Guitar-0.3.0-Mac.zip. Within that it contains MIDI Guitar.app, MIDI Guitar.component, and MIDI Guitar.vst files (along with some .txt files). Originally, I had all those here:

Macintosh HD>Library>Audio>Plug-Ins

Then I put the MIDI Guitar.vst here:

Macintosh HD>Library>Audio>Plug-Ins>VST

Then I tried putting MIDI Guitar.component here:

Macintosh HD>Library>Audio>Plug-Ins>Components

In all of the above cases, I couldn't open MIDI Guitar as an effect within a Cubase LE4 audio track.

I have yet to see the file:

MIDIGuitar.dll anywhere. Where do I get that? Is that in the Mac version? Or just the Windows version?

MIDI Guitar.dll is only for Windows. The Mac plugins are called MIDI Guitar.vst and MIDI Guitar.component.

Version 0.3.0 of MIDI Guitar has a bug that will cause it not to load in some DAWs. We had this problem with Ableton Live 8 and Reaper on MacOSX. It might be the same issue that prevents Cubase from loading it. We have fixed this bug and will release a new version before the end of this week, maybe tomorrow.

Also, MIDI Guitar is currently only available as a 32-bit plugin, some 64-bit DAWs will not load it. 64-bit Reaper on Mac will list the MIDI Guitar plugin, but not load it (not sure why). It works fine in 32-bit Reaper. We are working on the 64 bit plugin, but please use the standalone version for now - it should work with any DAW.

JamOrigin,
I have been following this thread with interest. Perhaps I am wrong, but after reading the improvements concerning the new version .4, it sounds like .4 wouldn't work better with my Cubase LE4 (though I didn't give it a try). I'd appreciate it if you gave me a heads up in this thread when you think a new version might work better with my iMac/Cubase LE4.

[memyselfandus]

I am extremely excited that we will be able to load tun files! what are the chances of Midi Guitar recognizing microtones from microtonal instruments?

like this

http://vimeo.com/16497828

or 1/4 tones?

http://anomalocules.tripod.com/id18.html

[Eleventh]

Here's a little bug report: I tried reading the "Getting started" pages, but couldn't find a way to scroll the text. I'm using MIDI Guitar in a bridged mode with Reaper if that matters.

[JamOrigin]

Here's a little bug report: I tried reading the "Getting started" pages, but couldn't find a way to scroll the text. I'm using MIDI Guitar in a bridged mode with Reaper if that matters.

This has been fixed, all the text now fits inside the window.

Please see reply above regarding your setup.

JamOrigin,
I have been following this thread with interest. Perhaps I am wrong, but after reading the improvements concerning the new version .4, it sounds like .4 wouldn't work better with my Cubase LE4 (though I didn't give it a try). I'd appreciate it if you gave me a heads up in this thread when you think a new version might work better with my iMac/Cubase LE4.

We are doing our best to fix all issues and we have fixed several bugs related to loading the plugin in different DAWs in 0.4.0. Testers have reported back that issues they encountered earlier have been fixed in 0.4.0, so we are hopeful that your issue has also been fixed.

We would be very grateful if you could test 0.4.0 and report back if the issues you encountered have been fixed or not.

[AdmiralQuality]

I am extremely excited that we will be able to load tun files!

Where did they say that?

.tun files are for instruments. This is a controller.

[memyselfandus]

I am extremely excited that we will be able to load tun files!

Where did they say that?

.tun files are for instruments. This is a controller.

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... c&start=15

[AdmiralQuality]

I am extremely excited that we will be able to load tun files!

Where did they say that?

.tun files are for instruments. This is a controller.

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... c&start=15

Someone here is confused. (It may be me, but I don't think so.)

Can you show me any other MIDI controller that loads .tun files? As far as I understand, .tun files are meant for instruments. They define the pitches for each of the 128 MIDI note numbers. MIDI-Guitar PRODUCES MIDI note numbers from audio, not the other way around.

Happy to be straightened out on this if I'm wrong. (If you're suggesting the .tun file should change the scale MIDI-guitar detects, that may not be possible. The smaller the interval, the harder it's going to be for them to tell notes apart. But you can already use it to detect notes in a "regular" scale and guitar range, and transpose to other scales/octaves at output. Similarly, you can tell your instrument to play a microtuning by loading a .tun file into IT. But the guitar is still producing "regular" scale, and MIDI-guitar's detection is listening for a "regular" scale.)

[Eleventh]

Please see reply above regarding your setup.

Oh, I've already sent you recordings of my Parker's bridge pickup, before I applied for 0.2 beta.

Here's the link:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/14081178/Parke ... 8HB%29.zip

[JamOrigin]

Please see reply above regarding your setup.

Oh, I've already sent you recordings of my Parker's bridge pickup, before I applied for 0.2 beta.

Here's the link:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/14081178/Parke ... 8HB%29.zip

Thanks, we will investigate further. Sorry for the confusion on our side.

[JamOrigin]

AdmiralQuality, I'm under the impression that a tuning in a tun file is simply a mapping from a MIDI pitch to a MIDI pitch plus a fraction of 1 MIDI pitch shift, for 127 notes. It seems that there is quite some interest in tunings, and since its easy to send pitch bends with note-on events on different channels, its just one more way MIDI Guitar can offer value over a keyboard controller. This is really just a small generalization of the current pitch shift functionality. But naturally, we will focus on the essential features first (i.e bends, velocity and sustain).

memyselfandus, recognizing microtonal music is a complete different story. It has some similarity to recognizing bends, which we are working on.

FrettedSynth, ariajazz, yes, velocity control is the topic for an entire update. One way to approach this is a learning functionality which would learn soft picks and hard picks. Another is the slider/graph approach discussed on some of the first pages. Let us try to add a fixed velocity slider for 0.4.1.

[aaron aardvark]

Here's a little bug report: I tried reading the "Getting started" pages, but couldn't find a way to scroll the text. I'm using MIDI Guitar in a bridged mode with Reaper if that matters.

This has been fixed, all the text now fits inside the window.

Please see reply above regarding your setup.

JamOrigin,
I have been following this thread with interest. Perhaps I am wrong, but after reading the improvements concerning the new version .4, it sounds like .4 wouldn't work better with my Cubase LE4 (though I didn't give it a try). I'd appreciate it if you gave me a heads up in this thread when you think a new version might work better with my iMac/Cubase LE4.

We are doing our best to fix all issues and we have fixed several bugs related to loading the plugin in different DAWs in 0.4.0. Testers have reported back that issues they encountered earlier have been fixed in 0.4.0, so we are hopeful that your issue has also been fixed.

We would be very grateful if you could test 0.4.0 and report back if the issues you encountered have been fixed or not.

JamOriginal,
When I tried .3, I didn't tune my electric guitar first (shame on me). I tried .4, and this time I tuned my guitar first. I could not open MIDI Guitar as an effect within Cubase LE4 and an iMac. So, I tried the stand alone MIDI Guitar & the mic input just picking up the acoustic sound of my electric guitar. I was hoping for an improvement, but I didn't notice any. Note detection is very hit & miss for me using the Test Piano. I wish you well in future revisions, as this is not really usable for me at this time.