[Intro pricing extended] Available now: T-RackS Sunset Sound Studio Reverb

[Squids]

I come from the sample library world and to me that's like someone saying a sampled piano is a sampled piano or any sampled drum kit is the same as any other. The content of the sound and how it was achieved can be very different and proprietary as well as the features and sound of the engine that plays it.

Now, speaking as someone who IS interested in the technological side too, I like to know what different plug-ins have to offer as well. That's a fun topic (even if perhaps off topic in a thread about a specific plug-in). But, no single plug-in offers everything. When we're talking about something specific like this where one might simply be interested in having that flavor of sound from the chambers, room, plate and spring at THIS studio, the best source to get that bar none is of course the official plug-in that's a cooperation with Sunset Sound! When you take a step back, that's what this is really all about. I'm a customer of these things myself. When I bought the Abbey Road plug-ins you think I sat there mulling over whether they employed some modulation techniques to achieve their realism or something? No. I simply bought it because I dream of recording at Abbey Road and having some of that sound in my music. I dreamed of having the same thing from Sunset Sound and if another company made it would have bought it from them. Instead I was able to help it get made with IK.

I think it's fair to say that 99% or more of the potential customers for this product would think this way. They hear what the product is, learn about the studio if they didn't already know, listen to demos and/or try it themselves and buy it if they like having these iconic ambient sounds in their music. That's it! THIS conversation, however interesting it may be (or annoying depending on the style of communication) is super esoteric. I interact with a lot of musicians and engineers, including many who are considered some of the top in the music industry. Even guys who remix The Beatles, Beach Boys and other artists who would have recorded at these studios. They're all super excited about the plug-in and not one of them has said "but wait a minute... does this have any modulation of the...". No, they just use their ears and even before that they trust IK to do this kind of a product accurately.

[Peter - IK Multimedia]

But I want T-RackS Sunset Sound Studio Reverb to not only put me in those chambers like I'm recording Jim ****ing Morrison but give me his swagger and charisma too! Obviously joking, but even playing through those chambers on a laptop and iLoud MTMs with the version of the software we had ready for NAMM (yes, note that was not the final version yet that demo in the SoS video still sounds fantastic!) in a hotel room during those "nights of NAMM" was incredible.

[El°HYM]

Not trying to pour further oil into the fire... IK has some good #plugs & useful #tools, no doubt!



Yet, this thread somehow also reminds me a bit of their famous & a bit 'blown up' #installer...

P.S. iLouds are nifty, too!

[Squids]

https://www.instagram.com/p/B8Tn44RHX-0/

I had the engineers at Sunset Sound run a bunch of songs I've produced from various bands and my solo albums into all of the live chambers, plates and the spring for each stem. It took awhile to do because it had to be in between sessions (that studio is almost always booked). I just got the hard drive this past week and finally had a chance to go through a bunch of tracks and A/B each one through each effect. I've done it a bit with the rooms before which sounded great but this time I did a thorough comparison between all the chambers, plates and spring of the real studio vs. the plug-in. It was so close that I'd be willing to bet even the biggest skeptics and tech nerds would not pass a listening test and be able to tell which is which. Wanna bet? At least not for the stuff I was listening to. It sounded so much like the real thing that I really felt like I actually have echo chambers and plates in my studio! Yeah yeah I know that sounds like marketing hype to some of you but, seriously, I am not kidding! I'll let you hear for yourself. The character is definitely there and it's so rich and organic! Best sounding reverb I have. Gorgeous on vocals! Great on everything! Drums sound so airy through the chambers.

As I said before, theory is theory but hearing is believing. If it sounds like Sunset Sound, which it truly does, then it gives you those iconic reverb sounds just like you've heard on all of those classic albums! We're so lucky the studio allowed a company to do this in a way to get it so accurate.

Now, the live rooms are a different animal. It's impossible to test what every instrument could sound like if it was put in different parts of the room which would get all kinds of different reflections so the live rooms and ISO booths I imagine will be more of an overall taste of what it would sound like I think. But, I haven't finished my own thorough testing of that part. It'll take a little longer because I have to keep going to the studio to record in the different ISO booths and live rooms so I can A/B that with the plug-in. I did some vocals, guitars and drums at the studio so far but want to try more things... plus I talked to an awesome engineer who might let me check out a few classic album multi-tracks just to hear other instruments recorded there run through the plug-in (whether I get permission to share THAT I don't know... maybe not. Prob a lot of red tape but you never know. People love this studio and its legacy so maybe because of that they'll say yes!)

By the way, no one asked me to do this and all my time doing this kind of thing is technically unpaid. I'm just a madman, basically, and to me its a privilege to be able to do it for the art and science of it. I'm also lucky I get to hear how it sounds on my own songs and productions which I know very well and can really hear the difference between what these instruments and vocals would sound like mixed with the reverbs at the actual studio vs. the plug-in. So far there is no difference! I'll keep at it for a few more days running tracks through everything and then I'll start sharing audio and video on the IK Instagram and FB soon.

[Squids]

I'll add this about the price debate. If you're the sort of engineer, producer or musician who wants the ambient sounds of a studio as great as this then I have no doubt you'll be convinced you have to have this one. And you know what I really think about the price? I think $149 is a STEAL! Considering the Capitol Chambers alone is reg price $349 (and probably worth it), to get all the chambers, plates and springs of Sunset Sound alone is easily worth $149. To have the live rooms and ISO booths is like the icing on the cake. I thought so already before but I was thinking that the regular price should maybe be $149 instead of $249 (not that it's in any way up to me but I would at least say something about it). However, now having exhaustingly listened back and forth between the real thing and the plug-in on my own music tracks to this degree... I even think that intro price is too low! There's absolutely no question whatsoever that it's worth the full $249, so this intro price of $149 to me should actually be a no brainer, at least for anyone who buys plug-ins in that price range in the first place. If you don't then you have to ask yourself how badly you want this. Just an hour at the actual studio would cost you more than the plug-in which you can use as much as you want!

I'll take any naysayer here and we'll do a blindfold A/B test. If you can tell the difference between the two then props. But, if you can't? Then I wonder what's more important. The theories or your hearing? This is gonna get goooood!

[PointOfDeparture]

1a) Squids - Good to see you back around these parts with your mega-posts!

1b) If this product is successful, what are some of your other recommendations for IK to re-create?

1c) Do you have any future plans for creating sampled instruments along the lines of Ocean Way Drums?

2) Installer - Although it doesn't bother me too much, if the installer is problematic for others now, adding more plugins that utilize MANY IRs will make it even more so. IK, please consider looking at Plugin Alliance's multiple methods for installation: offline authorization, individual installers, plus online installer where you can pick and choose, plus downloading license to custom USB stick. I think PA's version of the installer could still get more user-friendly (displaying current version of plugin, maybe thumbnail & brief description), which is why a previous comment in this thread may be ideal...combining Custom Shop with the downloader/installer/authorizer.

3a) Sunset Sound - I haven't looked at any of the videos/teasers. Has the studio been so extensively modeled/IR'd that the interface will allow us to move multiple mics around in the 360 view space? Kind of a more advanced version of the mic/speaker/environment section of Amplitube?

3b) What does clicking on "option" do?

3c) I would tend to agree with others here about the price. To me $99.99 (before using JamPoints) would be a no-brainer.

[Teneyetus]

What I was trying to say earlier before I was called a shill was that as someone who worked for the studio for well over a decade, $150 is a ridiculously good price if the plug-in does a good job of capturing all the spaces it’s trying to capture. And knowing Paul, he would not let the Sunset Sound name be used if he wasn’t completely satisfied with the offering.

They were very picky about the quality of the 500 series mic pres they built, and made sure they sounded like the console pres. I’m sure they’ll be equally as picky about this plug-in. There’s a small
community around that studio, and I’m sure that a select group of trusted individuals have been allowed to hear this plug in. They’d raise red flags if they had concerns, and I’m sure that would make its way back to the developer.

I’m really excited about bringing Sunset Sound into my rig. To be able to slap those Live room sounds on any instrument, or put a vocalist or acoustic instrument in the booths for some ambience, that is exciting stuff!

GUI looks great too - a nice mashup between Studio 1 and Studio 3 consoles.

[Squids]

1a) Squids - Good to see you back around these parts with your mega-posts!

Thanks! See? And some of you said people don't read them! haha.

1b) If this product is successful, what are some of your other recommendations for IK to re-create?

Well... I would love to get specific on that but I probably shouldn't. My general mission is to have some kind of virtual recreation of every piece of gear or sonic element of production that I like but don't have means to access in an affordable way. For example, my recording studio has a very small dead/dry live room... and obviously I don't have a real echo chamber or real plate! The ultimate to me would be to have what Sunset Sound has in this regard so that's why I wanted this plug-in to be made. I'm sure a lot of other people are in a similar situation or maybe don't have a live room at all (if it's a home studio or in an apartment or dorm room even or a travel rig). So, you can run virtual instruments like SampleTank 4 or Modo Drums through the reverb to simulate the A to Z of what would otherwise be a live recording and mix done at a top studio like this.

1c) Do you have any future plans for creating sampled instruments along the lines of Ocean Way Drums?

Yes, we already have many drum kits for BFD that are popular on http://www.esoundz.com (including Neil Peart's drum kit... which I recorded with Rush's producer Nick Raskulinecz and we literally rented $100,000 of Neve channel strips and sweet tube mics from Ocean Way to do that... and one of the coolest things was grabbing all of that from them without them even asking me for a deposit!!! I thought to myself how great it is to be known and trusted in this industry. Of course, it was for Nick and Neil who were mixing a Rush album at Ocean Way while we were working on Ocean Way Drums so... I'm sure they get carte blanche but still... they did hand all the gear to me and I could have driven away with it never to be seen again!!! haha. But, no, they trusted me completely and it felt great walking into the studio with like 22 Neve channel strips, 3 AKG C12s and all sorts of great gear. It was like a virtual Ocean Way!

Anyway, getting back to answering your question, I have a bunch of unreleased drum sample libraries for Kontakt 5 and now also SampleTank 4 coming. So, yes. But, nothing new with Ocean Way. Haven't seen those guys in awhile. The studio itself in LA isn't Ocean Way anymore. It was sold so now I think it's called United. Haven't been there since.

2) Installer - Although it doesn't bother me too much, if the installer is problematic for others now, adding more plugins that utilize MANY IRs will make it even more so. IK, please consider looking at Plugin Alliance's multiple methods for installation: offline authorization, individual installers, plus online installer where you can pick and choose, plus downloading license to custom USB stick. I think PA's version of the installer could still get more user-friendly (displaying current version of plugin, maybe thumbnail & brief description), which is why a previous comment in this thread may be ideal...combining Custom Shop with the downloader/installer/authorizer.

Well, I always say I only really relay info that I personally agree with so it comes what I understand and agree with. Even then, that doesn't mean it happens but I lobby for things and sometimes they do. The whole idea of a TR single being able to be installed on its own as opposed to how it is now where the whole plug-in has to be updated to accommodate it if it's new is not something that can just be changed quickly. But, I've read a few complaints about it and even though it doesn't really bother me (probably because myself and most people I know or work with don't just use one TR plug-in but like having the MAX bundle so all of them are available), I did request it in the future. Could happen! But, out of everything you said, what interests me the most is the ability to put a license on a USB stick instead of only to the computer. We'll see!

3a) Sunset Sound - I haven't looked at any of the videos/teasers. Has the studio been so extensively modeled/IR'd that the interface will allow us to move multiple mics around in the 360 view space? Kind of a more advanced version of the mic/speaker/environment section of Amplitube?

This could potentially be a fun feature and as much as I would like to see something like that added down the line I also do appreciate that there seems to be a really good balance of modeled tech and IR right now. If you added on mic modeling and simulation of moving the mic around my concern would be that it could actually be more flexible at the cost of sounding accurate. Now, it's important to know a few things about the studio. When it comes to the chambers, the speaker in there and the mics never get moved or if they do it's extremely rare according to the studio. So, if you want the plug-in to sound just like it does at the studio when you use the chambers (or the plate or spring for that matter), then you don't need or even want to mess with this in my opinion.

But, where it **could** be interesting is on the live rooms. You actually do get some control of certain mic positions and/or other things in the rooms. However, you don't get to move mics around freely in the 360 image window. That would have been fun to look at! It could be fun to hear too depending on how it's done. But, when it comes to live rooms there are so many possibilities of what could happen in a real live acoustic space depending on where the instruments are placed that I think the best you can hope for no matter what fancy features there are is some kind of overall flavor of the room you can apply to your sound. I need to really get into some testing to declare more from this or other plug-ins but generally speaking as one who has recorded a lot of instruments in a lot of rooms... for me, anyway, nothing beats the real thing IF I have the budget. But, usually I don't and in my studio I have a dead live room so Sunset Sound Studio Reverb's Live Rooms should do the trick for my needs. I'll be testing that out soon within actual mixes and can say more then.

3b) What does clicking on "option" do?

Different things depending on which reverb is selected. At the moment it accesses more parameters. But, since this is a beta version I'm hesitant to say just yet in case it changes. I doubt it will but you never know. I can explain more about the options when it's out. OR, if Peter or any official IK rep has the go ahead to do that or is maybe already talking about that I actually don't know.

3c) I would tend to agree with others here about the price. To me $99.99 (before using JamPoints) would be a no-brainer.

I've never fully understood exactly how the Jampoints work because I've never had to use them. But, even without jam points I would say I'm 100% convinced that it's worth $149 even just for the chambers or plates and definitely for both the chambers and plates... and you can consider the rest thrown in. It recreates all the reverbs and ambiences of one of the most loved studios in the world and it does it accurately with the full cooperation and collaboration of the studio. Just to walk in the door of that place costs about that!!!! Haha. Listen, for those of you who know me from years ago on KVR or on Facebook or whoever I may be, you know I don't have a problem with agreeing with a criticism or request. Even a price. For a minute, I admit that I DID question the price of $249 thinking that maybe THAT was too high. However, I'm sorry, but not after the first round of exhaustive A/B testing I just did. It's definitely worth $249 and I think $149 is a steal for someone who really sees the value of having THAT studio's verbs in their set up.

But, in all fairness, if someone is just looking for any reverb to work with without it having to be this specific one then there are a LOT of less expensive options out there. Even free or ones that come with your DAW can probably do just fine in a mix. However, if you DO want the sound of this specific studio's reverbs? You get your money's worth. That's just my opinion. I would rally for it to be lower if I agreed but I really don't. This is a high end thing by nature. Not because the technology is even rocket science. It's because the studio let the developers do whatever they needed to get it right... and even allowing me to do anything I need to test it out and demo it. That's deluxe!

[mholloway]

I now clearly understand IK's approach to threads in which they are getting hammered with (justifiable) negativity: just ask Squids to show up, and he'll vomit page after page of four/six/eight paragraph posts, and anyone who shows up to check this thread will simply say TL;DR !!! and back away. Which is what I will now do.

[Squids]

What I was trying to say earlier before I was called a shill was that as someone who worked for the studio for well over a decade, $150 is a ridiculously good price if the plug-in does a good job of capturing all the spaces it’s trying to capture. And knowing Paul, he would not let the Sunset Sound name be used if he wasn’t completely satisfied with the offering.

They were very picky about the quality of the 500 series mic pres they built, and made sure they sounded like the console pres. I’m sure they’ll be equally as picky about this plug-in. There’s a small
community around that studio, and I’m sure that a select group of trusted individuals have been allowed to hear this plug in. They’d raise red flags if they had concerns, and I’m sure that would make its way back to the developer.

I’m really excited about bringing Sunset Sound into my rig. To be able to slap those Live room sounds on any instrument, or put a vocalist or acoustic instrument in the booths for some ambience, that is exciting stuff!

GUI looks great too - a nice mashup between Studio 1 and Studio 3 consoles.

Oh please do share your thoughts! No one should say anything about it either. That's rude. You actually worked at the studio! Respect. Your opinion is super valuable and I totally agree about Paul and the studio from what I know. Also, I have that Sunset Sound mic pre and it IS great! Love it. In fact, I'm excited about recording tracks with that and using Sunset Sound Studio Reverb on them to simulate more of the flavor of what it would be like if I recorded there which, apart from pulling favors like I have for the demos, I don't normally have the budget to do! You know what bands record there. I first went there years ago to help Billy Corgan out with some old analog synths, Mellotrons and Optical when they did he Adore record there. I was blown away by the studio and could only dream of something like this plug-in happening (especially before there were plug-ins at all).

And, yes, while I can't reveal too much I can say that Ross Hogarth, Van Halen's engineer among others is part of the "thou shall not pass" testing team. He and everyone at the studio are thrilled with it so, yes, that endorsement speaks volumes on its own. But, here's the thing. I've noticed that anyone who ever visited this studio or a studio like it seems to want this without hesitation even before actually trying it. In fact, that's me too. I really would just straight up buy it and expect it to at least be close. However, when you hear the chambers, plates and spring it's so close I can't even tell the difference on all the instrument tracks I've tried it on! That's why I'm saying that it's worth it even JUST for the chambers and plates. Sonically it's apparently no different than being at the studio for that! The live rooms by nature would have some differences but, again, most pro studios let alone project studios or home studios don't have a live room anything like the 3 at Sunset Sound so... to apply even that overall sound to a dry recording is at least a budget way of getting a great room sound. If I could afford it I WOULD record there in any of those awesome spaces and also I hope that studio sticks around for awhile (since that too has become a problem... many iconic studios have disappeared! Even Paul says in the promo video for the product that the studio may not be around forever so this is a way to preserve some of its sound!). But, I'm on a budget usually so I find the rooms to be handy for getting closer to what it might sound like if I recorded instruments in a big great sounding room like that.

However, budget or not, if I needed the chambers or plates, as much as I love to just BE THERE to capture the real thing, I don't feel I necessarily have to just to get that sound. The plug-in nails it.

[VitaminD]

1a) Squids - Good to see you back around these parts with your mega-posts!

Thanks! See? And some of you said people don't read them! haha.

No, I said I doubt many will read them fully due to length.

You have some interesting products, and I own a lot of them.

But I can understand the frustration by some with it in IKM's method of marketing and customer interaction. The company, in my view, revolves around selling to novices and hobbyists by using methods of sales and marketing that is most effective on them. It can be painful to watch..

That said, anyone who has been around knows there is always an IKM sale around the corner. Just wait if you were really interested in the product and feel it costs too much!

[Squids]

I now clearly understand IK's approach to threads in which they are getting hammered with (justifiable) negativity: just ask Squids to show up, and he'll vomit page after page of four/six/eight paragraph posts, and anyone who shows up to check this thread will simply say TL;DR !!! and back away. Which is what I will now do.

Thank you for backing away.

PS. No one asked me to "show up" and I'm not here officially representing IK. That's Peter's job. I'm not paid to come on forums and speak my mind. I do it on my own time because I like to share knowledge that some people find useful, interesting, informative or valuable. It's ok that it doesn't appeal to everyone. But, clearly others seem to appreciate it so... I'll carry on, then. Coming soon: A/B tests with the actual studio for those who ARE interested.

[Squids]

1a) Squids - Good to see you back around these parts with your mega-posts!

Thanks! See? And some of you said people don't read them! haha.

No, I said I doubt many will read them fully due to length.

You have some interesting products, and I own a lot of them.

But I can understand the frustration by some with it in IKM's method of marketing and customer interaction. The company, in my view, revolves around selling to novices and hobbyists by using methods of sales and marketing that is most effective on them. It can be painful to watch..

That said, anyone who has been around knows there is always an IKM sale around the corner. Just wait if you were really interested in the product and feel it costs too much!

Theoretically if you can wait long enough yeah there might be a sale on it. Although, the introductory price might also BE that sale and the best price on it for awhile. Now, I actually don't know fully how you can use Jampoints (I just make sample libraries, presets, hang with the artists/producers/engineers and beg for products like this to be made) but maybe there's a way to save there or something. But, if you think there's gonna be a group buy on it soon... mmmmm not so sure about that! If you can wait a year or more though? I guess it's bound to happen. It's an interesting thing. Some companies do sales way too often and it destroys the value perception of their products. As a customer myself I take advantage of that. Might as well! But, if I was giving my 2 cents to the company I would suggest not putting things on sale just so people don't get too used to it.

Regarding your comment about IK tailoring to novices... it's not accurate to say that on the whole. IK is a diverse company that makes both consumer/pro-sumer products like iRig and pro audio products like iLoud monitors and T-RackS. The customers do range from beginners to the top pros. Personally, I think there's a good balance between what each need to hear. But, you can't please everyone.


By the way, I've been told that many DO read my posts and appreciate me taking the time to write it and share things from my unique perspective

[Teneyetus]

What I was trying to say earlier before I was called a shill was that as someone who worked for the studio for well over a decade, $150 is a ridiculously good price if the plug-in does a good job of capturing all the spaces it’s trying to capture. And knowing Paul, he would not let the Sunset Sound name be used if he wasn’t completely satisfied with the offering.

They were very picky about the quality of the 500 series mic pres they built, and made sure they sounded like the console pres. I’m sure they’ll be equally as picky about this plug-in. There’s a small
community around that studio, and I’m sure that a select group of trusted individuals have been allowed to hear this plug in. They’d raise red flags if they had concerns, and I’m sure that would make its way back to the developer.

I’m really excited about bringing Sunset Sound into my rig. To be able to slap those Live room sounds on any instrument, or put a vocalist or acoustic instrument in the booths for some ambience, that is exciting stuff!

GUI looks great too - a nice mashup between Studio 1 and Studio 3 consoles.

Oh please do share your thoughts! No one should say anything about it either. That's rude. You actually worked at the studio! Respect. Your opinion is super valuable and I totally agree about Paul and the studio from what I know. Also, I have that Sunset Sound mic pre and it IS great! Love it. In fact, I'm excited about recording tracks with that and using Sunset Sound Studio Reverb on them to simulate more of the flavor of what it would be like if I recorded there which, apart from pulling favors like I have for the demos, I don't normally have the budget to do! You know what bands record there. I first went there years ago to help Billy Corgan out with some old analog synths, Mellotrons and Optical when they did he Adore record there. I was blown away by the studio and could only dream of something like this plug-in happening (especially before there were plug-ins at all).

And, yes, while I can't reveal too much I can say that Ross Hogarth, Van Halen's engineer among others is part of the "thou shall not pass" testing team. He and everyone at the studio are thrilled with it so, yes, that endorsement speaks volumes on its own. But, here's the thing. I've noticed that anyone who ever visited this studio or a studio like it seems to want this without hesitation even before actually trying it. In fact, that's me too. I really would just straight up buy it and expect it to at least be close. However, when you hear the chambers, plates and spring it's so close I can't even tell the difference on all the instrument tracks I've tried it on! That's why I'm saying that it's worth it even JUST for the chambers and plates. Sonically it's apparently no different than being at the studio for that! The live rooms by nature would have some differences but, again, most pro studios let alone project studios or home studios don't have a live room anything like the 3 at Sunset Sound so... to apply even that overall sound to a dry recording is at least a budget way of getting a great room sound. If I could afford it I WOULD record there in any of those awesome spaces and also I hope that studio sticks around for awhile (since that too has become a problem... many iconic studios have disappeared! Even Paul says in the promo video for the product that the studio may not be around forever so this is a way to preserve some of its sound!). But, I'm on a budget usually so I find the rooms to be handy for getting closer to what it might sound like if I recorded instruments in a big great sounding room like that.

However, budget or not, if I needed the chambers or plates, as much as I love to just BE THERE to capture the real thing, I don't feel I necessarily have to just to get that sound. The plug-in nails it.

I haven’t heard the plug in, but if the people around the studio are signing off, I’m in 100%. Actually I’m already in, I just put the $150 down.

If you want to emulate the room sounds further, after putting a source recorded with the pre through it, slap any of the following compressors on it: Mono sources - LA3A, 1176 (blue stripe or LN), La2a, or a 176 tube comp - I’m thinking these for the booths (e.g vocals/ax guitar). For stereo sources in live rooms, the same as above, but you can add a 33609 or TG1 style
Plug in to the list. Follow it all up with a 550a If you want to emulate studio 1 or studio 3. To emulate the Neve in studio 2, just slap a neve 31102 eq on the tail end.

With the chambers and plates, just throw the API 550a plugs ins (Studio 1/3) or the Neve 31102 (studio 2) after the reverb and it would be a similar setup to what’s used in the rooms. Don’t forget to add a pre-delay, if you’re so inclined. Pretty common to put one of those in front of the chamber or plates.

If you have all those plug ins plus the mic pre to record the source with, you’d be emulating much of the entire signal flow, minus the microphone. Fun stuff!

[Squids]

I haven’t heard the plug in, but if the people around the studio are signing off, I’m in 100%. Actually I’m already in, I just put the $150 down.

If you want to emulate the room sounds further, after putting a source recorded with the pre through it, slap any of the following compressors on it: Mono sources - LA3A, 1176 (blue stripe or LN), La2a, or a 176 tube comp - I’m thinking these for the booths (e.g vocals/ax guitar). For stereo sources in live rooms, the same as above, but you can add a 33609 or TG1 style
Plug in to the list. Follow it all up with a 550a If you want to emulate studio 1 or studio 3. To emulate the Neve in studio 2, just slap a neve 31102 eq on the tail end.

With the chambers and plates, just throw the API 550a plugs ins (Studio 1/3) or the Neve 31102 (studio 2) after the reverb and it would be a similar setup to what’s used in the rooms. Don’t forget to add a pre-delay, if you’re so inclined. Pretty common to put one of those in front of the chamber or plates.

If you have all those plug ins plus the mic pre to record the source with, you’d be emulating much of the entire signal flow, minus the microphone. Fun stuff!

Well THAT was gold! Thanks for sharing! And yeah if you have some great mics too like Neumann M49s or U47s or U87s that always helps as well.

Hey, if you want to make some T-RackS chain presets along with me incorporating Sunset Sound Studio Reverb let me know. I'm going to do some with very well known engineers who have recorded classic albums there but I'll also do a bunch myself too so if you don't mind people having some good settings with the virtual gear versions of you mentioned...

Btw, you DID list one of my desired items. Those 176s!!!! That's pretty much a tube 1176 right? I saw them at Sunset Sound and I WANT!!! I guess the UAD might have that one so I'll get it there if they do for now but because I work on multiple laptop travel and desktop studio systems I try to stay native when I can. If I do end up using anything from UA I tend to print it just so my session is portable without having to bring a specific hardware device to use it. Even if I can get it for my Apollo Twin, I would still like to have it elsewhere.