Viper｜1.2.2 update with bugfixes and new skin

[rasmusklump]

That video is made with and older version of Viper, and a lot has improved since, its much more accurate now

Interesting!
I guess I'll have to try then...

He purposely removed the ability to use the *.mid import of Virus banks in the demo though, so you can't actually ...demo... that feature.

Yeah, the ability to Import my old virus patches is the ONLY reason for me to buy this vsti and as I can't test it beforehand.... Not for me then.
I even don't know if I can load the banks or only single patches, what format, mis, sys, etc.

[kmonkey]

Yeah, the ability to Import my old virus patches is the ONLY reason for me to buy this vsti and as I can't test it beforehand.... Not for me then.
I even don't know if I can load the banks or only single patches, what format, mis, sys, etc.

Well you can educate yourself. There are videos on import on the product website. Yes you can load banks.





As you can see, only one person in this whole forum is patronizing the developer about the Virus import feature not being available in the demo (VitaminD), even after the fact that developer explained his decision about it. Obviously more drama and arguing about this is to come (maybe I am wrong).

Long story short here is developer explanation:

viewtopic.php?p=8335007#p8335007

If you are not ok with developer decisions then this product is not for you. Mind you this whole thing is a one person effort. From what I can recall he is developing this throughout several years.

And the synth is priced like two commercial Virus TI banks. Pretty fair if you ask me but that's just my opinion.

You get Virus sound + expanded features not found in the original - covering more area you can think of. So there's no arguing about the price in my honest opinion. Especially if you wait for summer sales or occasional sales.

[VitaminD]

That video is made with and older version of Viper, and a lot has improved since, its much more accurate now

Interesting!
I guess I'll have to try then...

He purposely removed the ability to use the *.mid import of Virus banks in the demo though, so you can't actually ...demo... that feature.

Yeah, the ability to Import my old virus patches is the ONLY reason for me to buy this vsti and as I can't test it beforehand.... Not for me then.
I even don't know if I can load the banks or only single patches, what format, mis, sys, etc.

Indeed. It is a Virus clone that can now apparently import Virus presets (which is exciting if it functions well), yet one cannot trial this feature unless you pay. So you have to pay in order to fully see how well the feature works to know if you want to pay for it.

One would think the product developer would do what they can to make the trial as open and accessible as possible to prospective customers. And the customer base would be supportive as well to newcomers. Instead it's like a tightly guarded secret project that you cant question. Oh well.

[AnX]

Plenty of users have said it works fine...most demo versions don't let you load/save anything

[VitaminD]

Plenty of users aren't spending their money to buy me a license. Plenty of users have different views of acceptable. Plenty of users aren't you or me.

Most demo versions let you load anything -- the point of the demo is to test all the features to ensure it works to your satisfaction before spending money. I've already pointed out it is a non-save feature, thus that was off the table to begin with.

And if videos suffice in proving it works, then we don't even need a trial version of anything. Just watch the video and decide. But that's ridiculous, and most developers understand this because they wouldn't offer a trial version otherwise.

It makes more sense to keep the import feature intact on the demo, so people who are genuinely interested in it can try it out, be amazed (provided it functions well), and thus have a strong desire to spend the cash.

[Dirtgrain]

If you want to know how well the import feature works, then all you are wanting to know in that regard is what imported presets sound like in Viper. Audio examples would achieve this.

[zeph]

Plenty of users aren't spending their money to buy me a license. Plenty of users have different views of acceptable. Plenty of users aren't you or me.

Most demo versions let you load anything -- the point of the demo is to test all the features to ensure it works to your satisfaction before spending money. I've already pointed out it is a non-save feature, thus that was off the table to begin with.

And if videos suffice in proving it works, then we don't even need a trial version of anything. Just watch the video and decide. But that's ridiculous, and most developers understand this because they wouldn't offer a trial version otherwise.

It makes more sense to keep the import feature intact on the demo, so people who are genuinely interested in it can try it out, be amazed (provided it functions well), and thus have a strong desire to spend the cash.

I agree with VitaminD - I am sitting on the fence because I would love to test the import (which lets face it, is a huge plus feature) before I outlay my cash.

[commodore]

Many of us purchased this synth without the expectation that importing virus banks would ever be a thing. The fact that this is still being worked on with great updates like this should be enough to buy it. Considering the price, its def worth it. I'm actually selling my Virus Ti because the Viper checks all the boxes for me.

[adamszabo]

If the lack of the .mid import is the only barrier to decide if its worth it, then you can send me a virus bank and I can import it and save it as a .fxb viper soundbank and send it back to you which you can open with the demo. Then hopefully it will ease the pain a little

[VitaminD]

Many of us purchased this synth without the expectation that importing virus banks would ever be a thing. The fact that this is still being worked on with great updates like this should be enough to buy it. Considering the price, its def worth it. I'm actually selling my Virus Ti because the Viper checks all the boxes for me.

And then there are us that are prospective buyers to this synth, today, with the announcement of a Virus bank import. So you have to look at it in the context of the time frame and what is available, feature wise, at that period. Namely, right now. Not when you bought it way back.

He's already got your money, you're all set. There is no reason for you, as a former customer, to be upset at me, a current prospective customer, to want to trial any software features present on the software today. Because I'm approaching the software today, not in time past when you bought it.

There is an old saying of trust but verify. Which is essentially trust no one, but be polite about it. This is where we are here today. Your experiences are not my experiences. I don't trust your experiences will always match mine. You should do the same with me. Thus videos and personal anecdotal claims don't replace someone experiencing something for themselves and then making their own decisions.

I doubt anything changes here, but if anything you should want more people to come on board with you, not push people away like you are. It's not a secret club or order, it's just a software synthesizer. Was there anything (beyond saving) blocked when you trialed the software? Would you be disappointed if parts (say an oscillator, or an effect) were? I know I would be if I'm trying to make a decision on if the product is worth the money or not for me. Less hassle afterwards if I discover that peoples glowing opinions didn't match my own after I've trialed all the features of the software (sans saving which is not sound generating of affecting thereof).

You can have last word, I'll try to make this my last post here so we can all move on. Take care.

edit: Adam, that is a really nice offer to translate the patches. But that still isn't letting the software function on my own system, in my own setup, translate the patches and work on its own. It would be introducing you into the loop, which wouldn't be a normal step. I think I'll just have to move on. This seems like such an incredible synth though and kudos to you for making it. But if I can't trial the feature on my own computer, at my own pace, then it's a deal breaker for me I'm afraid. Thank you though.

[rasmusklump]

Plenty of users have said it works fine...most demo versions don't let you load/save anything

Plenty of other vendors where I can spend my money. Problem solved.

[commodore]

Many of us purchased this synth without the expectation that importing virus banks would ever be a thing. The fact that this is still being worked on with great updates like this should be enough to buy it. Considering the price, its def worth it. I'm actually selling my Virus Ti because the Viper checks all the boxes for me.

You can have last word, I'll try to make this my last post here so we can all move on. Take care.

I'll just say it can't be easy for a developer to make these decisions. I think that if he let the import feature be available in demo, what is stopping people from using it as a massive preset machine?

According to the current limitations, you'd have 30 seconds before getting some silence. If I were the developer and felt the benefit to include .mid import was worth it, I'd do silence every 5 seconds or something, no saving sounds/banks, etc. I don't know though, hard decision.

Last thing, just trust me, bro. but seriously, the hype is real.

[Vortifex]

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[AnX]

Plenty of users have said it works fine...most demo versions don't let you load/save anything

Plenty of other vendors where I can spend my money. Problem solved.

indeed, can't think of one that import virus presets tho

[zvenx]

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Wow just wow.
excellent job adam (oh how I wished you could do a mac version)
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