KVR Audio

JerGoertz · Post by **JerGoertz** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 11:42 pm

aMUSEd wrote:
james0tucson wrote:
aMUSEd wrote:
james0tucson wrote:
aMUSEd wrote: Clearly they did not feel any obligation to their customers so why should their customers feel any for them?
Well...it's not about "feelings" or "loyalty", but rather about how copyright law is codified and enforced in your locale.
Yes but I don't care about that aspect. I'm talking about ethics, not laws. Laws are often unethical and often plain stupid and this is a case in point.
If copyright doesn't protect a software author, it doesn't protect a songwriter either.

The ethical question depends entirely on your point of view. Can you make an unbiased argument that supports your ethical position?
All I'm saying is if the law says it's OK for a software company to rip off it's paying customers by going bust without honouring their contractual obligations to them but it's not OK for those customers to then download cracks of the software they have paid for and are entitled too even if it is a crack then the law is an ass. There's supposed to be such a thing as justice and this ain't it.

The situation you described doesn't apply to all (or even probably most) of the cases of abandonware.

Frippertronix · Post by **Frippertronix** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 11:48 pm

This also brings up the question of either cracking or reverse engineering out of date software, i.e. software versions that are long gone in terms of being marketed by the distributer, although they now market a current version that is significantly different.

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 12:01 am

JerGoertz wrote:
aMUSEd wrote:
james0tucson wrote:
aMUSEd wrote:
james0tucson wrote:
aMUSEd wrote: Clearly they did not feel any obligation to their customers so why should their customers feel any for them?
Well...it's not about "feelings" or "loyalty", but rather about how copyright law is codified and enforced in your locale.
Yes but I don't care about that aspect. I'm talking about ethics, not laws. Laws are often unethical and often plain stupid and this is a case in point.
If copyright doesn't protect a software author, it doesn't protect a songwriter either.

The ethical question depends entirely on your point of view. Can you make an unbiased argument that supports your ethical position?
All I'm saying is if the law says it's OK for a software company to rip off it's paying customers by going bust without honouring their contractual obligations to them but it's not OK for those customers to then download cracks of the software they have paid for and are entitled too even if it is a crack then the law is an ass. There's supposed to be such a thing as justice and this ain't it.
The situation you described doesn't apply to all (or even probably most) of the cases of abandonware.

Never said it did. I was being very specific.

JerGoertz · Post by **JerGoertz** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 12:22 am

aMUSEd wrote:
JerGoertz wrote:
aMUSEd wrote:
james0tucson wrote:
aMUSEd wrote:
james0tucson wrote: Well...it's not about "feelings" or "loyalty", but rather about how copyright law is codified and enforced in your locale.
Yes but I don't care about that aspect. I'm talking about ethics, not laws. Laws are often unethical and often plain stupid and this is a case in point.
If copyright doesn't protect a software author, it doesn't protect a songwriter either.

The ethical question depends entirely on your point of view. Can you make an unbiased argument that supports your ethical position?
All I'm saying is if the law says it's OK for a software company to rip off it's paying customers by going bust without honouring their contractual obligations to them but it's not OK for those customers to then download cracks of the software they have paid for and are entitled too even if it is a crack then the law is an ass. There's supposed to be such a thing as justice and this ain't it.
The situation you described doesn't apply to all (or even probably most) of the cases of abandonware.
Never said it did. I was being very specific.

I responded b/c it seemed like you were using it as a general justification for cracking abandonware.

fake · Post by **fake** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 2:29 pm

I don't have to worry about this crap anymore as I am now ported to linux.......freeware.

One thing that interests me though, can anyone site a case or cases where a software company has sued an individual for infringment.

It is usually very costly to do so and generally not worth it for the company.

fake

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seamoss · Post by **seamoss** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 2:54 pm

as whitney says, "crack is whack"

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trip · Post by **trip** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 3:48 pm

f.e. sync modular was only sold on the internet, wasn´t it?
and does anyone remember synoptic probe?

this was a fine software as far i can remember...

outsomnia20 · Post by **outsomnia20** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 4:07 pm

why are you so morally perplexed about this? it's obviously not right to crack but sometimes normal law, abiding citzens break the law for minor gain. have you ever ran a stop light at a deserted intersection? this is the same idea.

Stupid American Pig · Post by **Stupid American Pig** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 4:12 pm

I wish someone would crack rebirth...

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cracking given up software?