cracking given up software?

[trip]

Hi folks!

First let me settle it first: i´m against cracking software

But recently i thought about what is when you crack a stopped, given up software like syncmodular, synoptic probe, ni dynamo, delta III, tc mercury (?) and so on, which is no longer available except when it´s used.

i think it´s hard to find a analogous example, maybe copying an old book yourself or something like that.

What is your opinion on this? Is it still illegal?! (I think it is definitely. Where are the laywers?:) )

greetings

[vurt]

yep still illegal until they had over the code for open source

[opiadream]

grave robbing

[putte]

.. i wouldnt mind downloading a crack of a piece of software that cant be bought anymore.

putte

[munchkin]

grave robbing

necrophillia

[vurt]

grave robbing

necrophillia

you two get a room

[trip]

mhm, so are there any open sources?

[james0tucson]

Hi folks!

First let me settle it first: i´m against cracking software

But recently i thought about what is when you crack a stopped, given up software like syncmodular, synoptic probe, ni dynamo, delta III, tc mercury (?) and so on, which is no longer available except when it´s used.

i think it´s hard to find a analogous example, maybe copying an old book yourself or something like that.

What is your opinion on this? Is it still illegal?! (I think it is definitely. Where are the laywers?:) )

greetings

It's illegal in the US, since Copyright term is based on a period of time after the death of an individual author, and presumably, after the dissolution of a corporation.

Hoever, there's a balancing argument. If your own copyrighted material is locked from you due to someone else's copy controls, you have an approximately equal claim to a right to use a product. Your rights are not subordinate to theirs. Furthermore, if you were to seek injunctive relief against an abandonware copyright holder, you would probably prevail, since that party would not show up in court; you could ask for and receive a summary judgement. That won't strip anyone of their copyright, but it would grant you permission to use a product.

Just a wild theory.

These rights aren't absolute. The user has rights too. Publishers forget that.

[Hink]

grave robbing

necrophillia

you two get a room

yeah and I bet you got a hidden camera in the room huh?

[Z3R0T0N1N]

grave robbing

necrophillia

canibalism...

and all manner of sexual perversity

[james0tucson]

yep still illegal until they had over the code for open source

Works will enter the public domain eventually, though not for many decades. (And I don't want to get into the argument of copr extensions).

But there's also the fact of abandonware, if the copyright owner chooses not to take civil action in response to infringement, it's still infringement, but there are no consequences.

[trip]

[quote="james0tucson"][quote="trip"]Hi folks!

First let me settle it first: i´m against cracking software

But recently i thought about what is when you crack a stopped, given up software like syncmodular, synoptic probe, ni dynamo, delta III, tc mercury (?) and so on, which is no longer available except when it´s used.

i think it´s hard to find a analogous example, maybe copying an old book yourself or something like that.

What is your opinion on this? Is it still illegal?! (I think it is definitely. Where are the laywers?:) )

greetings[/quote]

It's illegal in the US, since Copyright term is based on a period of time after the death of an individual author, and presumably, after the dissolution of a corporation.

Hoever, there's a balancing argument. If your own copyrighted material is locked from you due to someone else's copy controls, you have an approximately equal claim to a right to use a product. Your rights are not subordinate to theirs. Furthermore, if you were to seek injunctive relief against an abandonware copyright holder, you would probably prevail, since that party would not show up in court; you could ask for and receive a summary judgement. That won't strip anyone of their copyright, but it would grant you permission to use a product.

Just a wild theory.

These rights aren't absolute. The user has rights too. Publishers forget that.[/quote]

that´s sounds proficient and it will take a while for me to understand this (no native):D

[Failed Muso]

grave robbing

necrophillia

I used to be a necrophiliac until some rotten c*nt split on me

[cold c]

mhm, so are there any open sources?

If you are asking for open source synths/plugins in general, then yes they exist - click here and scroll down to 'Open Source plugins', there are also many 'public' snipets of code posted in the forums, for example there was a huge topic on anti-aliasing related stuff with the developers all contributing their code.

[HanafiH]

It's a really dodgy area, and a lot hinges on whether or not the 'distributor' of the expired software could prove a reasonable precedent to the distribution - basically if you hold a copyright but fail to enforce it for long enough, particularly if it can be proven that the holder knew or should have known others were infringing it prior to you, it gets incrementally harder to get any court to enforce the copyright by awarding the kind of money needed to make suing worthwhile.

Generally any developer who has a later version or equivalent product, and who sues when informed of infringement of an expired product, has all the legal protection they need.

Generally if you ask explicitly for permission to distribute and you can prove the copyholder knows you asked, if they (say yes or) don't reply, you're on very much safer ground.