waves ssl demo is here.

[martian]

personally id have no interest in ever spending so much money on fx nowadays, furthermore supporting waves. but i was genuinely interested to hear them, as i am everything. ilok means im out though too.

[defjamm]

I'm sorry but it's not bullshit, me and bmanic did some tests and he has the audio available.

I'll ask him to put them online, as the difference can be easily heard. (RTAS vs. TDM) I don't want to start a debate as I full well know what the truth is and can prove it.

This is not some academic summing crap either, and waves research and development confirmed it (but the information is not available to public obviously).

Not that I would buy these plugins, or want to support waves in any way, just an observation really.

1. his files wouldn't prove much because they can be flawed in many ways(which host was used, which version).

2. now let's say there would be a difference. you guys always speak about BIG differences, but this differences would be SMALL. this indeed reminds me of the summing-crap in the samplitude-thread.

3. a difference doesn't mean one is better than the other just because it costs more, you assume that from the start. dull and warm can be the same, agressive and open too.

4. waves vocal-bundle(one of their newest bundles, with tune) is only available as native.

there is some thing similar @ prosound
http://recforums.prosoundweb.com/index. ... /9341/96/0
funny is, they have all different opinions and results in a phase-test.

[defjamm]

I'm sorry but it's not bullshit, me aand waves research and development confirmed it (but the information is not available to public obviously).

when? the time would be important, because they have updated some of their plug-ins, so when you or somebody you know spoke to a waves-tech some years ago, it would make sense.

i don't want to doubt anything, i just want prove with good methods, considering all flaws there could be.

[Jason Brian Merrill]

well, i'll just have to crawl back into my 'if it sounds good, it is good' hole and STFU i guess.

...and I'll keep not liking them one bit. 'Obsolete' is the word that springs to mind. 'Outdated' popping in close second.

I'll check these compressors out for sure. I just don't expect to be blown out of chair.

Well, if you are expecting a compressor to blow you out of the water, i think you may be looking at music from the wrong angle.

now that has been something I have been wanting to say for a while.

[Jason Brian Merrill]

Let's leave TDM to fight UAD... No need to compare to native. Native is way more precise and pristine. There's such thing as 'softer' sound. DSPs do not usually offer softer sounds from what I know.

Sorry I really wasn't going to war about anything here. It was just a verifiable observation.

As you point out, native *should* be better. God only knows what waves is doing wrong.

(and again, maybe not with these new plugins?)

perhaps they WANT to be doing something wrong, perhaps its intentional. A conspiracy!!!!

or maybe its just like that bugger who thought maxtor hard drives sounded "warmer" than WD.

[el davo]

someone set up the (anti-)wankerism thread for this nonsense. this thread is going rotten fast.

[Alan]

For that 600 extra you get *true* TDM support (not just silly RTAS native). That means better sound actually.

I'm not saying your wrong technically,but Iv'e never really noticed any difference between the DX and TDM versions except that the TDM versions would break up over 0db due to the fixed point limitation. I never thought of comparing them back to back probably because I couldn't hear enough of a difference. As far as their DSP coding talents in native though,I always found it odd that they never coded in native VST and used that crappy Waveshell instead.

[bmanic]

^^bullshit

Lemme put the audio clips online. You can then decide yourself.

Cheers!
bManic

[Aleksey Vaneev]

bmanic, do not forget to match just about every aspect in your example files (presets, dithering, overall loudness).

[bmanic]

They are.. everything is IDENTICAL. I simply used a preset and then switched to TDM which has identical preset. Bounce, dither, everything is equal. File is identical to the last byte (size wise).

- bManic

[bmanic]

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1665409

[Kingston]

now that has been something I have been wanting to say for a while.

Yeah, only songs and music matter, right? Just because you don't obsess about something, doesn't mean other people can't or shouldn't.

to deafjamms responses,

now what did I say about such wankery? I wouldn't want to partake in any such gatherings. (although I often do by accident, and get tarred and feathered in a stabbing fistknuckleboxing brawl that is the KVR)

[defjamm]

^^don't be a penis(i know you like to be one), until now you didn't prove shit.

you like to use 'better, worse, best', stop that crap.

[Kingston]

you like to use 'better, worse, best'

Saying that to the clearly most opinionated person in the planet won't achieve anything. I cultivate and refine my opinions in the finest of audiophoolery known to man. My taste in these things far surpasses anything you could ever dream of. I start my day with an ABX test, before moving on to do ear training joga.

To put it short, I'm right, and you're not. opinionKILL

Go and try to make someone else feel miserable. Surely you realise this is a forum, and I'm representing no one else but me. (and why is it that everytime you enter a thread it seems to stock up in defensiveness and fight mentality?)

[Highvoltage]

so 3 pages, and not a single comment on the sound. i wont break this.