You guys have both earned my enormous respect... but, just don't take this emoticon the wrong way!!!!
It's this kind of sharing among peers that makes a product focused forum great. Nice job.
Disk clone ?
-
- KVRer
- 21 posts since 22 Mar, 2006 from Kensington, MD
I don't own a Receptor as yet; but, I'm sure that many who do will be thanking mildist (for bringing up the topic and taking the risk to start us off on this adventure) and oGG (for taking a great deal of time to document the process and provide clear warnings of the consequences of slipping up.)
You guys have both earned my enormous respect... but, just don't take this emoticon the wrong way!!!!
It's this kind of sharing among peers that makes a product focused forum great. Nice job.
You guys have both earned my enormous respect... but, just don't take this emoticon the wrong way!!!!
It's this kind of sharing among peers that makes a product focused forum great. Nice job.
-
- KVRer
- 14 posts since 4 Jan, 2005 from Topeka, KS
Thanks, but I don't think I contributed any more than anyone else...but oGG? - he's the man!!!
I will post the results of my further endeavors. Bear in mind I really have nothing to lose here. I have a woefully inadequate 40gig drive, what I need is backed up, and if I clong my receptor drive I'm back to where I was in the beginning, i.e. ordering a bigger drive, which is what I would have had to do anyway. So the risk-benefit potential here is way in my favor...
I will post the results of my further endeavors. Bear in mind I really have nothing to lose here. I have a woefully inadequate 40gig drive, what I need is backed up, and if I clong my receptor drive I'm back to where I was in the beginning, i.e. ordering a bigger drive, which is what I would have had to do anyway. So the risk-benefit potential here is way in my favor...
-
- KVRAF
- 3971 posts since 19 Apr, 2005 from Brissie
I'm suprised that Muse haven't deleted this...
The thing is, from my point of view, I frankly couldn't be arsed doing this, especially since I've found out about the Muse boys pre-loading Ivory for $20 (my biggest expense is time, not a hard drive), and maybe my other purchases...
HOWEVER, it's well worth knowing that this is a viable process (maybe the Muse boys think this too, which is why they haven't deleted this thread), and from the point of view of someone who wants to try it, if you bugger up the drive you can just order one from Muse anyway. The drive is redundant either way, so for those people who could be bothered, it's worth a try!
Watto
The thing is, from my point of view, I frankly couldn't be arsed doing this, especially since I've found out about the Muse boys pre-loading Ivory for $20 (my biggest expense is time, not a hard drive), and maybe my other purchases...
HOWEVER, it's well worth knowing that this is a viable process (maybe the Muse boys think this too, which is why they haven't deleted this thread), and from the point of view of someone who wants to try it, if you bugger up the drive you can just order one from Muse anyway. The drive is redundant either way, so for those people who could be bothered, it's worth a try!
Watto
I've joined Lurkers Anonymous.
-
- KVRer
- 14 posts since 4 Jan, 2005 from Topeka, KS
SUCCESS!
First of all, this post will be entirely meaningless unless you read oGG's faq on this.
To oGG: I followed your instructions step by step twice and am real sure I followed everything to the letter. I could not get the new drive to boot.
So, I followed your instructions on just making a clone drive...the source drive was a 40gig, the target was a 160gig.
I just used "dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdc" (NOTE: your faq had of=/dev/hdb and that didn't work)
Now this ran for several hours. What I expected then was that would be able to boot of the new drive, but would only see 40gig. However, the new drive wouldn't boot up at all. So, I used fdisk to delete partition 4, recreated partition 4 to size it to the unallocated space, then followed your instructions for copying /dev/hda4 to /dev/hdc4
And it works! Everything is there and working properly.
First of all, this post will be entirely meaningless unless you read oGG's faq on this.
To oGG: I followed your instructions step by step twice and am real sure I followed everything to the letter. I could not get the new drive to boot.
So, I followed your instructions on just making a clone drive...the source drive was a 40gig, the target was a 160gig.
I just used "dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdc" (NOTE: your faq had of=/dev/hdb and that didn't work)
Now this ran for several hours. What I expected then was that would be able to boot of the new drive, but would only see 40gig. However, the new drive wouldn't boot up at all. So, I used fdisk to delete partition 4, recreated partition 4 to size it to the unallocated space, then followed your instructions for copying /dev/hda4 to /dev/hdc4
And it works! Everything is there and working properly.
-
- KVRist
- 69 posts since 9 Jan, 2006
Good to hear about your success!mildist wrote:SUCCESS!
First of all, this post will be entirely meaningless unless you read oGG's faq on this.
To oGG: I followed your instructions step by step twice and am real sure I followed everything to the letter. I could not get the new drive to boot.
So, I followed your instructions on just making a clone drive...the source drive was a 40gig, the target was a 160gig.
I just used "dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdc" (NOTE: your faq had of=/dev/hdb and that didn't work)
Now this ran for several hours. What I expected then was that would be able to boot of the new drive, but would only see 40gig. However, the new drive wouldn't boot up at all. So, I used fdisk to delete partition 4, recreated partition 4 to size it to the unallocated space, then followed your instructions for copying /dev/hda4 to /dev/hdc4
And it works! Everything is there and working properly.
I have a follow up question thou; am I correct if I understand this as you did not reinstall grub on the new drive (after deleting/making a new 4:th partition)? Or did you follow my instructions from the copying part and everything after?
Another question. When you say the drive didn't boot up, did you get any error messages (like GRUB printed over and over again over the screen, or if you didn't have a screen connected, heard the PC speaker go 'bip-bip-bip-bip-bip' very quiet? (the speaker goes 'bip...' when the GRUB GRUB GRUB thing is printing).
The hdb thing was a typo. Just the kind thing that can sqrew things up, thanks for pointing it out (btw. hda is primary master, hdb is primary slave, hdc is secondary master and hdd is secondary slave, could be good to know).
--
Olle Gustafsson
-
- KVRer
- 14 posts since 4 Jan, 2005 from Topeka, KS
Initially when I was following your intructions twice, both of those times I installed grub. However, after 'dd'ing the entire drive, deleting p4 & reinstalling and manually copying, I did not. It worked.I have a follow up question thou; am I correct if I understand this as you did not reinstall grub on the new drive (after deleting/making a new 4:th partition)? Or did you follow my instructions from the copying part and everything after?
When I tried your method, I did get an error message, it was a very long list and I don't recall exactly what the last line said. I didn't like something on the drive, it didn't say "unstable" but it was a term similar to that...but it didn't do the bip thing...it just got to the error message and stopped, no prompt or anything like that.Another question. When you say the drive didn't boot up, did you get any error messages (like GRUB printed over and over again over the screen, or if you didn't have a screen connected, heard the PC speaker go 'bip-bip-bip-bip-bip' very quiet? (the speaker goes 'bip...' when the GRUB GRUB GRUB thing is printing).
When I first tried my method (based on your tutorial) before deleting p4 and resizing, the system kept rebooting...it was after resizing and copying that it worked.
-
- KVRer
- 14 posts since 4 Jan, 2005 from Topeka, KS
MORE INFO:
Well, for whatever reason I didn't notice this right away, but my cloned drive was working perfectly, but the Receptor Setup screen was only reporting the drive as being a 40gig drive, it wasn't seeing the other 100+ gig...
So I pulled it back out, stuck it in my PC and ran Partition Magic. Partition Magic saw 140gig on that 4th partition, however it said that 130gig was being "used". I don't know what that was about, but I used Partition Magic to shrink partition 4 to the smallest it would allow, then expanded it to the largest. Then it reported that there was about 120gig available. Reinstalled into Receptor, and voila! It now sees the whole drive...
Interesting...
Well, for whatever reason I didn't notice this right away, but my cloned drive was working perfectly, but the Receptor Setup screen was only reporting the drive as being a 40gig drive, it wasn't seeing the other 100+ gig...
So I pulled it back out, stuck it in my PC and ran Partition Magic. Partition Magic saw 140gig on that 4th partition, however it said that 130gig was being "used". I don't know what that was about, but I used Partition Magic to shrink partition 4 to the smallest it would allow, then expanded it to the largest. Then it reported that there was about 120gig available. Reinstalled into Receptor, and voila! It now sees the whole drive...
Interesting...
-
- KVRer
- 11 posts since 4 Dec, 2006
The Receptor does not use FAT32 nor NTFS. It has one boot partition which is about 100 MB, a root / partition which is around 3 Gb (this is where the OS resides), and a swap at 2 Gb, and the rest is mounted as the "hard drive" you see when you mount it from your desktop computer. The last partition probably varies in size from Receptor to Receptor depending on the disk size that it comes with.
My partition table looks like this:
All data partitions use the ext3 filesystem (which by the way is a journaling filesystem, could be good to know). Even the big fat one where all plugins and samples are stored/installed uses ext3.
--
Olle Gustafsson[/quote]
Hi Olle,
I would like to have a question to you (or to somebody who know the answer):
On Windows you have to defragment the disk regularly to improve computer performance.
Is it also valid for a unix system with an ext3 file system?
Before I will install huge sample packs I would like to deinstall all not needed plu-ins, than defragment hard drive, and finally install needed plug-ins.
If deframent is also important for linux:
Which program I can use it for this purpose?
And how can I install this program on Receptor?
Thanks,
Gabor
PS: An other question regarding screen refresh frequency. If I am using CRT instead of a TFT monitor with Receptor, can I change this frequency from probaly 60 Hz to a higher value?
My partition table looks like this:
Code: Select all
Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/hda1 1 13 104391 83 Linux
/dev/hda2 14 379 2939895 83 Linux
/dev/hda3 380 623 1959930 82 Linux swap
/dev/hda4 624 19457 151284105 83 Linux--
Olle Gustafsson[/quote]
Hi Olle,
I would like to have a question to you (or to somebody who know the answer):
On Windows you have to defragment the disk regularly to improve computer performance.
Is it also valid for a unix system with an ext3 file system?
Before I will install huge sample packs I would like to deinstall all not needed plu-ins, than defragment hard drive, and finally install needed plug-ins.
If deframent is also important for linux:
Which program I can use it for this purpose?
And how can I install this program on Receptor?
Thanks,
Gabor
PS: An other question regarding screen refresh frequency. If I am using CRT instead of a TFT monitor with Receptor, can I change this frequency from probaly 60 Hz to a higher value?
-
- KVRian
- 571 posts since 14 Oct, 2004 from UK
Check defragmenting ext3 file system on the net, you'll see it's not necessary.
-
- KVRist
- 120 posts since 21 Jan, 2005
Hi,
I'm using up all of the free space on my 40gb Receptor Hd and need to clone it in a larger one.
Ogg faq page http://ogg.kicks-ass.net/receptor/ seems to be disappeared.
Is there anyone having a copy of the page or something explaining how to clone my 40gb Receptor Hd and possibly PM post or email it to me?
Thanks in advance.
NL3
I'm using up all of the free space on my 40gb Receptor Hd and need to clone it in a larger one.
Ogg faq page http://ogg.kicks-ass.net/receptor/ seems to be disappeared.
Is there anyone having a copy of the page or something explaining how to clone my 40gb Receptor Hd and possibly PM post or email it to me?
Thanks in advance.
NL3
-
- KVRian
- 1116 posts since 22 Apr, 2005 from Nashville, TN USA
-
- KVRist
- 120 posts since 21 Jan, 2005
I thank you very much, Hyb, you're unique as usual.Hybernation wrote:I believe Kermit has a copy of oGG's FAQ's at:
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/MuseReceptor/
NL3
-
- KVRian
- 571 posts since 14 Oct, 2004 from UK
Unfortunately, it's an older version, but it contains the disk duplication info you're after.
-
- KVRist
- 69 posts since 9 Jan, 2006
Sorry. My internet is down. But i always have a mirror at http://www.panthouse.se/receptor/.nl3 wrote:Ogg faq page http://ogg.kicks-ass.net/receptor/ seems to be disappeared.
--
Olle Gustafsson
-
- MUSEician
- 9 posts since 9 Mar, 2006
Hi, Michael Ost (Receptor programmer) here.
Re the cloning instructions, that's pretty close to what we do here in the shop. We haven't publicized it because it's too hacky for our average user. We also are unable to support Receptors that have been manipulated in this way. So hack at your own risk.
Be aware, though, that some plugin copy protection schemes are tied to the disk serial number. With a new disk, you have new serial number, so your plugins may need re-authorizing.
- mo
Re the cloning instructions, that's pretty close to what we do here in the shop. We haven't publicized it because it's too hacky for our average user. We also are unable to support Receptors that have been manipulated in this way. So hack at your own risk.
Be aware, though, that some plugin copy protection schemes are tied to the disk serial number. With a new disk, you have new serial number, so your plugins may need re-authorizing.
- mo